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Deltabacon
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From: Liverpool, Great Britain
|  Posted: 2008-08-13 08:56
The escort destroyer. all beams, weak(ish) shields and not good in a fight.
The assault destroyer. Massively powerful.
The ED hulled the AD before being hulled itself. granted, energy problems did affect the AD but still, this is a problem.
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Fattierob
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| Posted: 2008-08-13 12:50
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On 2008-08-13 08:56, Deltaflyer wrote:
The escort destroyer. all beams, weak(ish) shields and not good in a fight.
The assault destroyer. Massively powerful.
The ED hulled the AD before being hulled itself. granted, energy problems did affect the AD but still, this is a problem.
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escort destroyer is not meant for engaging ships. it's meant for point defence.
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Dionysian *EP5* (Angel of Destruction)
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| Posted: 2008-08-13 16:39
Isn;t that the problem that he's stating? you would expect the AD (as a combat ship) to cream the ED ( a point def ship) but it didn't. There ar only 2 real reasons for this.
1) Noob AD pilot - Vet ED pilot or
2) ED is too powerful.
who would ever imagine 2) in darkspace 
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Fattierob
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| Posted: 2008-08-13 17:40
ED has beams. don't get close. also, isn't AD ICC? that negates the point - all ICC ships suck.
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Bardiche
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| Posted: 2008-08-13 18:16
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On 2008-08-13 17:40, HeavyRob wrote:
ED has beams. don't get close. also, isn't AD ICC? that negates the point - all ICC ships suck.
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If ignorance is bliss, you must be some-word-I-possibly-cannot-utter-for-fear-of-breaching-RoC.
Anyway, no. Assault Destroyer is UGTO.
ADDENDUM:
Assault Destroyer is a beam based attack Destroyer meant to destroy other vessels in combat. The clear implication here is that the Assault Destroyer cannot defeat an ESCORT ship.
[ This Message was edited by: Bardiche on 2008-08-13 18:16 ]
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Fattierob
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| Posted: 2008-08-13 19:20
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On 2008-08-13 18:16, Bardiche wrote:
ADDENDUM:
Assault Destroyer is a beam based attack Destroyer meant to destroy other vessels in combat.
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Theirs your problem.
You went in a beam based attack destroyer into beam range against.....a ship that has more beams then you.
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Shigernafy
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Joined: May 29, 2001
Posts: 5726
From: The Land of Taxation without Representation
| Posted: 2008-08-13 20:48
wut?
Your strange and continued defense of this situation is confusing me.
I say we make custom gadgets for every ship so we can tailor them exactly. That'll only take another 14 months, during which time I can add a few more gaifen varieties, which is really what this game needs to succeed.
also, don't you love serious, helpful devs?
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Light-of-Aurora
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Posts: 602
From: NJ, USA
| Posted: 2008-08-13 23:55
You've explained why the ED won, but the problem seems to be the fact that the ED won, not the reason the ED won :/
Could you make special restrictions to point-defense ships so they have low level lasers? Or, maybe you could treat the ships as lower classes to keep levels low, and have the destroyer model..
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Little Pet Slinki
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From: United Kingdom, South West.
| Posted: 2008-08-18 21:31
Could you have two modes, like we have the auto point defence and manual fire lasers now, what about if manual targetting was lasers are full power doing a moderate amount of damage (Lvl 6?), but switching over to point defence (Like ECM, countdown timers and charge times etc?) will force the lasers into a say, Lvl 2 Power, but the laser can fire quicker, in a more missile defence role.
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doda *EP5 no longer exception...*
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From: happy land
| Posted: 2008-08-20 22:59
just give assault versions more heavy chem lazers
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Fattierob
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| Posted: 2008-08-20 23:32
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On 2008-08-20 22:59, doda *EP5* (No Longer Exception...) wrote:
just give assault versions more heavy chem lazers
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Those eat power like crazy.
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Coeus
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From: Philly
| Posted: 2008-08-21 08:21
HCLs on a dessy?
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Fatal Rocko Willis
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Joined: March 01, 2003
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From: Kentucky
| Posted: 2008-08-22 09:38
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On 2008-08-13 08:56, Deltaflyer wrote:
The escort destroyer. all beams, weak(ish) shields and not good in a fight.
The assault destroyer. Massively powerful.
The ED hulled the AD before being hulled itself. granted, energy problems did affect the AD but still, this is a problem.
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Look at it this way...
Escort Destroyer. Escort being defined as: a protective screen of warships or fighter planes or a single ship or plane used to fend off enemy attack from one or more vulnerable craft.
Assualt Destroyer. Assualt being defined as: a violent military attack usually involving direct combat with enemy forces in a concerted effort (as to reach a goal or defeat an adversary).
Now it is simple to say by they very ideal of thier respective names that the Escort Destroyer is ment to well... Escort - While the Assualt Destroyer is ment to do one thing... KILL ITS ENEMY...
The Escort Destroyer is also keeping with the ICC's Fleets basic rule... defense, Defense and even more DEFENSE!
Understand?
My name is Rocko Willis, and I approve of this Post!
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Veronw
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| Posted: 2008-09-22 19:19
solution: remove normal CL lasers on the ED, stick on pulse beams.
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Drafell
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From: United Kingdom
| Posted: 2008-09-24 13:03
I had a feeling this would be the case.
Have you tried the ED vs a PD? I think that would be a more balanced test. But in either case, I need to take another look at the layouts for the 'Escort' class destroyers.
This is the kind of feedback that is useful, although I would like to see multiple tests, not just one battle.
Thank you.
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