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Eleda
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Joined: August 03, 2002
Posts: 438
From: Sunny ol England
|  Posted: 2003-08-21 14:20
Currently ALL friendly shots will hit if they move through you. I would like a change to this.
Missiles should go over/under friendly ships in the same way that fighters go over planets.
All other weapons should 'miss' friendlys if they are a smaller size than the firer and are within 500gu.
This is to represent the fact that larger ships can draw lines of fire above/below smaller vessles.The 500gu limit to this is to represent that at longer ranges, as the weapon fire converges on the plane that all vessles fight on (unrealistic but ho-hum) it becomes impossbile to miss friendlys.
These changes will allow smaller vessles to form a close range 'screen' around larger ships, absorbing some of the incoming fire while still allowing the larger vessle to fire at full effect.
Missile ships will also be easyer to defend, as they will not accidently hit the escorts that are trying to stay between them and the enemy.
As i see it this will encourage team play and fleet formations to a greater extent, and will allow smaller ships to perform one of the roles they were ment for 
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Serapis
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Joined: July 09, 2002
Posts: 73
From: Europe
| Posted: 2003-08-21 15:08
Good idea - I like it!
I can't count the times I was flamed for shooting teammates with my MD 
As well as I stopped counting the times I got hit by FF when defending a planet or flying an assault together with missile crafts.
I would like to see this implemented - of course after a adequate break for big F 
Greetz,
Serapis
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Flint24
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Joined: August 02, 2003
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| Posted: 2003-08-21 17:00
I like the friendly fire it gies the game more realism. You can also use the eneamys fire to your advatage.
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Axianda The Royal
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Joined: November 20, 2001
Posts: 4273
From: Axianda
| Posted: 2003-08-21 17:26
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On 2003-08-21 17:00, Flint24 wrote:
I like the friendly fire it gies the game more realism. You can also use the eneamys fire to your advatage.
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kinda agree you can use the missile fire and beams to your advantage in a fight.
i think it should stay the same
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Antdizzle
Joined: February 07, 2003
Posts: 860
| Posted: 2003-08-21 17:35
stay daaa SAME!!!!
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Pope
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Joined: June 11, 2002
Posts: 2449
From: World of tomorrow
| Posted: 2003-08-21 17:40
make the game 3-axis..
you can impose a softlimit on the z axis, explained by the amount of enery it would require to drastically change your orbit around the systems center mass.
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Kirby
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Joined: January 01, 2003
Posts: 34
From: Michigan
| Posted: 2003-08-21 17:45
i agree that beams should not pass through friendlies, but 'smart missiles' (IT, AR, Psi), should try to avoid friendlies. THAT would make it more realistic IMO.(and try to avoid planets)
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Jim Starluck
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Templar Knights
Joined: October 22, 2001
Posts: 2232
From: Cincinnati, OH
| Posted: 2003-08-21 20:31
Sono, the amount of coding Faustus would have to do to make the game fully 3D would make the 1.481 patch seem like a walk in the park. It's an option, yes, but not very likely.
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MrSparkle
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Joined: August 13, 2001
Posts: 1912
From: mrsparkle
| Posted: 2003-08-21 20:54
Considering in the 21st century we have smart missiles that can guide themselves over rough terrain to within inches of their target, you'd think that by DS's time they'd have invented missiles that could fly around the friendly ships...yes I think missiles should better avoid friendly ships.
Better being the operative word. I don't think missiles should always avoid friendlies especially when there's a lot of them in the way.
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Barthezzz
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Joined: May 31, 2001
Posts: 5630
From: The Netherlands
| Posted: 2003-08-22 04:21
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On 2003-08-21 17:26, Axianda *XO* wrote:
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On 2003-08-21 17:00, Flint24 wrote:
I like the friendly fire it gies the game more realism. You can also use the eneamys fire to your advatage.
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kinda agree you can use the missile fire and beams to your advantage in a fight.
i think it should stay the same
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All You gota do is fly behind an ICC Station and watch the Magic take place.
Whoohoo.
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Teager
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Joined: May 29, 2001
Posts: 317
From: St Augustin, Germany
| Posted: 2003-08-22 08:35
....and nobody detected sono's irony again....hehehe
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| Posted: 2003-08-26 05:12
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On 2003-08-21 17:40, sono wrote:
make the game 3-axis..
you can impose a softlimit on the z axis, explained by the amount of enery it would require to drastically change your orbit around the systems center mass.
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many games have it but it hasn't been very sucessful cos' u need to be a damn expierenced gamer(or a real life fighter pilot) to fly ships upside down for example. however planets could have more realistic orbits which are not flat. it would make the game much more exciting though... u could see what it would be like if u pressed on a fighter and then camera
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| Posted: 2003-08-26 05:13
to reduce intentional FF they can stop you from firing if u click on a team mate. to cltr+ click on the spot takes much more time
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II
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Joined: December 19, 2001
Posts: 420
From: NJ, USA
| Posted: 2003-08-26 11:41
The game already has a z-axis. Right now its locked for gameplay purposes. Every wonder how you can floy over another ship? Thats the zaxis automatically kicking it.
Faustus can just (I use the word just loosely) unlock it.
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Dwarden
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Joined: June 07, 2001
Posts: 1072
From: Czech Republic
| Posted: 2003-08-26 13:19
DarkSpace got 3 axis always, or FROM VERY VERY EARLY moments ...
it's just disabled for player run ships because of these reasons:
- server calculation demand (3 axis positiosn on everything (actually for lot of things is one 0), 3D vectors and sux)
- bandwidth ammount increase
- control complexity (for player)
- gui/hud changes, change logic changes
I already know minimally 1 game which got excelent MAJOR ship control in 3 axis (like DarkSpace but full free movement in 3D) ...
so answer is:
- server calculation demand should be no problem with actual computing power of modern servers
- bandwidth ammount should not be problem because not even yet is modem fully used, plus world is moving broadband with mimum to be set around 256/128 (instead 56/33)
- control complexity is no issue, it was already solved by other developers, so it can be in DarkSpace
- gui/hud changes are normal for any real MMOG
so conclusion:
Where is 3D movement?
lol (ok i know... in 1.5 lol
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