Demorian
Fleet Admiral
Galactic Navy
Joined: October 06, 2001
Posts: 3406
From: Charlotte, North Carolina
|  Posted: 2002-06-04 23:23
02:02:07 [PS]Dr Evil: "ok dem, start logging...."
02:17:31 [-GTN-]Demorian: "roger that Evil"
02:02:10 [PS]Selvarian: " /me, too"
02:02:22 Gideon: "We shal never be safe again..."
02:02:26 Gideon: "shall"
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "have not. known about him for over a year. just got napalm and silly putty tho"
02:02:29 [-[A]-]AgentStarblazer: "*lookks around*"
02:02:30 [PS]Dr Evil: "the 74th anual Moderator Meeting now begins.... tonights host is...."
02:02:38 Taelron: "ok i have to run..."
02:02:48 Taelron: "will read the log later"
02:02:59 Gideon: "Topo Gigio?"
02:02:59 [PS]Dr Evil: "ok gents, non staff, pleave mind the rules governing meetings... "
02:03:01 [PS]Dr Evil: "later tael"
02:03:20 [DI]Demon Boy: "Ok"
02:03:27 [PS]Dr Evil: "any new topics or comments from the non staff, please msg me directly"
02:03:35 [PS]Dr Evil: "ok, tonights topics...."
02:03:51 [DI]Demon Boy: "I had to eat dinner"
02:03:53 [PS]Dr Evil: "1) PCM exploit review..."
02:04:04 Gideon: "That's a topic?"
02:04:14 [PS]Dr Evil: "2) Discussing adding intentional disco's to the RoC..."
[02:04:37 05/06/02] * [[TS]]Scylon raises an eye brow
02:04:40 [PS]Dr Evil: "3) new mod vote..."
[02:04:51 05/06/02] * Gideon looks confused...
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "please remain silent while meeting is in session, please."
02:04:55 [PS]Dr Evil: "Non staff, please no emotes"
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "please please and please, i KNOW i just said please in the same sentence twice, SHUSH."
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "say nothing or i shall bop you."
[02:05:16 05/06/02] * [[TS]]Scylon whispered "oh, sorry  "
02:05:29 [PS]Dr Evil: "any additional topics you wish to discuss, please msg me."
[02:06:28 05/06/02] * [[TS]]Scylon whispered "Actually you sayed please 3 times"
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "was talking about previous sentence."
02:06:48 [PS]Dr Evil: "for a review, the new PCM exploit has definitely become a hot topic, I'm hearing as many yeas as nays on it since it was posted in the news, forum, and the RoC..."
[02:06:54 05/06/02] * [[TS]]Scylon whispered "oh"
02:22:31 [-GTN-]Demorian: "So what exactly is to be discussed?"
[02:07:23 05/06/02] * [DI]Demon Boy whispered "how do you message someone"
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "use /send [username or @user# here] [message here] if you cant send by name, either try writing the name in quotes or finding them by their user# using /find [username here] and send it to them that way."
02:08:51 [PS]Dr Evil: "it's going to be difficult to enforce, what we need to discuss is how to ID a clear cut case of it's use."
02:24:31 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Ah."
02:25:10 [-GTN-]Demorian: "First and foremost I don't think any serious action (that is, above a kick) can be taken against someone for COPCMing if there are not screen shots of repeated occurences."
02:10:04 Gideon: "I , uhhh, can't actually think of how to ID a clear cut case of it. Unless I witness it in action. And then I have no way to prove that I saw it..."
02:25:49 [-GTN-]Demorian: "That is my input on the idea of IDing a clear cut case. A shot needs to be taken of the user that in some way provides proof that we are looking at said user. The mod ship will make things like this pretty easy, methinks."
02:26:12 [-GTN-]Demorian: "That's exactly my point, Gid, we can't take serious action unless there is undeniable evidence."
02:11:20 Gideon: "But a screen shot is not proof positive in this case. The defendant can jsut claim that they moved closer to the planet after the PCM was fired and before the screen shot was taken."
02:27:32 [-GTN-]Demorian: "That is true. That's why it is so difficult, as Bob has stated - the screen shot needs to show an image of the player right next to the planet as the bombs are detonating."
02:27:48 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Hard to get, but I don't think, as you said, evidence can really be solid any other way."
02:12:30 Gideon: "Though, if you have a good way to provide solid evidence, I am all for it."
02:12:58 [PS]Dr Evil: "getting a screen shot will be very difficult, we have alot of faith in you guys, your word goes far in any case of evidence we could put forth."
02:28:25 [-GTN-]Demorian: "As i realize i started three sentences above with That."
[02:13:14 05/06/02] * [-GTN-]Demorian bangs his head into the nearest wall.
02:28:45 [-GTN-]Demorian: "roger that Evil."
02:13:44 Gideon: "Well, I'll try. Not going to be easy even with the mod ship."
02:29:07 [-GTN-]Demorian: "what about the other staff present? any other ideas on IDing a case of this in a simple and definitive matter."
02:13:51 [PS]Dr Evil: "if we didn't trust you guys, you wouldn't be here, it's a simple as that."
02:29:11 [-GTN-]Demorian: "?"
02:13:52 [-[A]-]|2eason: "Shall we start a new thread, on tracking this type of exploit?"
02:14:20 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "I was thinkin wouldnt at least 3 eye witnesses sufice?"
02:14:24 [PS]Selvarian: "Yep, I think that can go without saying, but even moreso when said."
02:14:27 [PS]Dr Evil: "that's probably the best route Reas, start a case history"
02:30:12 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Yea, thats one step - having a thread for these types of track-requiring offenses."
02:30:22 [-GTN-]Demorian: "that must be checked for when a mod is posting a punitive action report"
02:31:02 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Kort has a good idea for evidence as well, a mod should note a certain amount of players who witnessed the event and possibly refer to them later if the player is pursued."
02:16:21 [PS]Dr Evil: "we're entering that wierd time of the year when people are going into finals, school is ending, and vacations are starting, our ranks the past couple of weeks have been very thin because of it. "
02:31:56 [-GTN-]Demorian: "nodnod"
02:16:34 Gideon: "Reguardless of how solid our evidence is. I want all mods to be prepared for the large level of backlash that is already starting to occure. Be calm and collected with any responces, because people are getting hot about this one."
02:17:41 Gideon: "Summer is hard on online games anyways. Not as many people staying home in front of the computer."
02:33:16 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Absolutely, Gideon. Those who are questioning a moderation of such an exploit as a third-person observer need to see a respectable argument from us in return. That means we can't be like MOD: shut up, so and so. or something similar."
02:18:53 [-[A]-]|2eason: "please check the PMF when you guys get time..."
02:18:55 [-[A]-]|2eason: ";)"
[02:19:05 05/06/02] * Radarrider has entered the room...
02:19:44 Gideon: "Also, some people are acting like we have taken away their favorite toy with this one. So, people may actaully TRY to get you inflamed."
02:36:12 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Such individuals need to be politely, and probably privately, talked down."
02:20:57 [PS]Dr Evil: "do your best to maintain control, if it gets out of hand, call for help and take action. "
02:36:39 [-GTN-]Demorian: "And if they don't accept being talked down and they are still acting as Gid just described.....then guess what. kick em."
02:22:27 [PS]Dr Evil: "any comments on this issue from non staff? floor is open for discussion..."
02:22:50 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "I wish you guys luck on this one  "
02:22:52 [TK-IC]Admiral Jimmy: "It is? I thought we were supposed to shut up and sit down and listen..."
02:22:54 [SW]Maelstrom02: "why not just have a minimum firing range on the cruise missile..you must be 100 gu away or they just won't fire:)"
02:23:00 [OCD] IceMan: "well from myself i'd go with the 2 witnesses and a screen shot "
02:23:01 [DI]Vinco: "ummm... what was the topic? I just got here"
02:23:20 [TK-IC]Admiral Jimmy: "I think if they could just fix the darned Mission Recorder...that would make it MUCH easier to identify the perpetrators"
02:23:29 Gideon: "I think Faustus is already working on that one. But it is down a couple of notches on the list yet."
02:23:30 [[TS]]Scylon: "Just for those who have not heard This is totaly fair. I'm personaly sick of peps have super high scores which they did not earn"
02:23:31 [-[A]-]|2eason: "Maelstrom, This is until Code is implimented..."
02:23:39 [SW]Maelstrom02: "ah"
02:23:43 [OCD] IceMan: "The PCM exploit is the issue"
02:23:48 [PS]Dr Evil: "there will be changes made in the code to address the issue, this is only a temporary solution."
02:23:59 Gideon: "So, Maelstrom, that is a good idea. ;p"
02:39:25 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Vinco, topic is how to react to those that may not like being modded for the new PCM exploit"
02:24:38 [[TS]]Scylon: "stuff tham, they can go cheat some place else"
02:24:43 [PB]tragicx: "Also, need to make everyone aware of the fact that it is considered an exploit as well."
[02:24:45 05/06/02] * Gideon coughs a sound like -=Spicker=-...
02:24:58 [PB]tragicx: "Maybe post it on web site. Big letters..."
02:24:59 [PS]Dr Evil: "sofar it's about 50/50... half like the idea that we're finally enforcing it, the other half think we're nazi's for taking their cheat away."
02:25:17 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "it is posted in News trag"
02:25:18 Gideon: "Tragicx, it is top on the home page news list."
02:25:25 [SW]Maelstrom02: "honestly I wouldn't do anything if the code allows it"
02:25:33 [DI]Vinco: "ahhhh."
02:25:35 [PB]tragicx: "Oh wow, hehe, there is it!"
02:25:36 [SW]Maelstrom02: "I'd just cut the code out from under them and not allow them to do it"
02:25:36 [DI]Demon Boy: "What is with thw PCM I'm just step back to the srceen"
02:25:50 [TK-IC]Admiral Jimmy: "That second half can just kiss your Moderator you-know-what"
02:25:52 [[TS]]Scylon: "well Evil, peps like to cheat, it's plain and simple, you will get that responce every ware"
02:26:31 [SW]Maelstrom02: "let's say a 2 second arming time on PCM's would do it....after they're launched they need 2 seconds to arm before impact"
02:26:33 [TK-IC]Admiral Jimmy: "You are a Moderator, they are cheating, then that's all the justification you should need right there."
02:26:36 [PS]Dr Evil: "it's posted in News, General Forum, and in the RoC... I can email it to you if you would like  "
02:26:42 [DI]Vinco: "well... is close range MIRV bombing also an exploit?"
02:27:08 [PS]Dr Evil: "nope, mirvs still require pin point targeting"
02:27:10 Gideon: "Vinco, No, because the blast radius on MiRVs doesnt bake the planet bare from space."
02:27:20 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "now there's an idea.... mail out the news..."
02:27:24 [DI]Vinco: "what about ships with both, like ICC bomber dest."
02:27:24 [[TS]]Scylon: "not really, bombs don't really do splash damage"
02:27:30 [DI]Vinco: "must it bomb from 100+ gu?"
02:27:37 Gideon: "We have a news mailer?"
02:27:41 [TWP]King Kull: "except to the bomber"
02:27:50 [DI]Vinco: "what happens if it gets too close, and launches a PCM with the mirvs"
02:27:53 Gideon: "Vinco, then it must use it's PCMs at 10+ gu."
02:27:59 Gideon: "100+ gu"
02:28:08 Gideon: "No limit on MiRV bombs."
02:28:08 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "'yeah, bios/mirvs have almost no splash"
02:28:09 [DI]Demon Boy: "That is an outstanding deal I like it"
02:28:14 [DI]Vinco: "they fire with the same key. accidents will happen."
02:28:17 [PB]tragicx: "I wonder if Faustus could easily make bombs unable to fire from a 100gu range."
02:28:33 Gideon: "What we are really trying to catch here are people that are trying to exploit the system. Not people who make an honest mistake."
02:28:35 [TWP]King Kull: "100 is still to close"
02:44:18 [-GTN-]Demorian: "tragicx, more fun: able to fire, just not able to destroy."
02:28:59 [PB]tragicx: "Well, whatever they decide. Some range from the planet."
02:29:02 [PS]Dr Evil: "at 100 gu's defenses can fire and the blast radius of the PCM won't destroy structures"
02:29:05 [OCD] IceMan: "250+gu as a rule"
02:29:10 [TWP]King Kull: "min firing distance for pcm should be at lest 250gu and have a target locked on"
02:29:11 [DI]Vinco: "ok. beacuse I've found that even with a group, close range bombing is the ONLY effective tactic on most planets."
[02:29:12 05/06/02] * [Evil]MaDB|otcH sneaks in and grabs a seat @ the back
02:29:13 Gideon: "tragicx, I think it's more along the lines that if PCMs don't travel a certain ammount, either time or distance, then they don't detonate when they die."
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "hey just FYI any time youre runnin radio and are into some discussion about the game mechanic or anything, youre welcome to give me a ring. any other type of cohosting, i aint good at "
02:29:41 [[TS]]Scylon: "they are looking for the peps who go to about 1gu away from planets and fire a PCM at them, not the peps who happen to frie while doing a fly by"
02:29:54 [SW]Maelstrom02: "2 second arming time"
02:29:56 [DI]Vinco: "the point is that planetary d-bases are too powerful now. even 3 ships at 100gu+ will not have a CHANCE at penetrating the defenses"
[02:29:57 05/06/02] * [DI]Wolver follows MaDB|otch to the back row...
[02:30:01 05/06/02] * Gideon gives MaDB|otcH the hairy eyeball...
[02:30:26 05/06/02] * [DI]Demon Boy waves to [DI]Wolver...
[02:30:33 05/06/02] * [PB]tragicx whispered "Will do. I've had it up the last couple of nights."
02:45:51 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Guys, we are getting off topic here, we're talking about players and how they react to the exploit ruling, not the cause of the ruling all over again."
02:30:35 Gideon: "Vinco, we are trying to close all the loopholes so that we can balance defense base strength."
02:30:35 [OCD] IceMan: "true Vinco"
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "that was extremely fun, btw."
02:30:48 [DI]Vinco: "ok"
[02:30:52 05/06/02] * [Evil]MaDB|otcH hands wolver a bottle of heineken
02:30:54 [PS]Dr Evil: "ok, time to button down, moving on to the next topic..."
02:30:55 Gideon: "With these loopholes in place, a well balanced system is exceptionally weak against exploits."
02:31:00 [DI]Vinco: "as long as the balance is to be fixed, I have no objection to this"
02:31:08 Gideon: "In order to do this right, we must first fix the problems."
02:31:18 Gideon: "Roger, Dr.Evil..."
02:31:28 [[TS]]Scylon: "well, as i stated, people are going to be upset, because they like cheating, but that their problem, and they will need to deal with it"
[02:31:31 05/06/02] * [PB]tragicx whispered "I should bring it up now.. to talk about the ideas. but might distract from the regular meeting."
02:31:31 [PS]Dr Evil: "yep, it's on Faustus' to do list."
02:46:53 [-GTN-]Demorian: "non-mods, floor is closed again. Thank you for your input! Please observe silence."
02:31:35 [DI]Vinco: "agreed. AS LONG AS Faustus WILL address the defense balance issue. Dropping topic now."
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "after the meeting, perhaps."
02:32:04 Gideon: "A moment of silence for the much maligned mods..."
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "actually i should study for physics final"
02:32:14 [PS]Dr Evil: "ok, next topic... discussing adding Intentional Disconnecting to the Exploit section...."
[02:32:26 05/06/02] * [PB]tragicx whispered "eek, good luck man"
02:32:37 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "..."
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "danks. "
02:32:41 [PS]Dr Evil: "Gideon brought up that it's listed in 3-1-10c... "
02:32:44 Gideon: "As 3.1.10.c line 2 already classifies this as an exploit, I am all for this."
02:33:03 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "thats kinda silly"
02:33:07 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "agree 100%"
02:33:07 [-=WKA=-]TheGriffin: "Hmmmmm Sounds like the best solution for now would be to create a PCM Exploiter List (THE LIST) This would be rcord book of sorts of players doing this and also be the trigger for any action to be done. Then you would have at least some type of evidence to take action. This is just a Idea. "
02:33:08 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "i know ive been out for a while"
02:33:08 [DI]Vinco: "I agree. This should be fixed with moderation and a code alteration"
02:33:11 Gideon: "Sorry, line 3"
02:33:13 [DI]Wolver: "we need a strict enforcement on this!!! as well as possible pretige adjustment as necessary!!"
02:48:34 [-GTN-]Demorian: "I think we're all for it, but the questio is how to inforce it."
02:48:38 [-GTN-]Demorian: "*enforce"
02:33:17 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "but to classify it as an explot"
02:33:17 [PS]Dr Evil: "it's listed there as an example of bad behavior... the discussion here is to add it to the exploit list."
02:33:22 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "?"
02:33:43 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "its pure bad manners and unsportsman like"
02:33:57 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "but on scenario servers, it shouldnt be considered an exploit"
02:34:02 Gideon: "To be clear: Once again this is a mod duty we have to fulfill until the code goes in to prevent it."
02:34:03 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "for mv yes"
02:34:10 [PS]Dr Evil: "staff take a look at the PMF now, there is an entry in there by Kortoz of a diso that happened today, it was about as clear cut as you can get."
02:34:32 [DI]Wolver: "i think it should be added as an exploit immediately...and enforced without warnings once it's officially an exploit"
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "hehe you go, dude. you just got a pat on the back from Evil "
02:34:43 Gideon: "Yes, it is pretty easy to spot now that stability is much better."
[02:35:02 05/06/02] * [PB]tragicx whispered "Hmm, would you like some music though?"
[02:35:04 05/06/02] * [-GTN-]Kortoz whispered "=)"
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "hehe while i'm studyin? ;P"
02:35:11 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "thx Dr."
[02:35:35 05/06/02] * [PB]tragicx whispered "I'll play some classical then.. =)"
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "LOL "THIS IS FOR DEM AND HIS PHYSICS FINAL".....we'll both be hated"
02:36:36 Gideon: "Hello?"
[02:36:42 05/06/02] * [PB]tragicx whispered "Heh, oh well..."
02:36:55 [PS]Dr Evil: "we all agree that playnet's upstream connection just plain sucks..."
02:36:58 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "yeah, silence all of a sudden"
02:37:19 [DI]Vinco: "I agree that the disconnect should be made an exploit WHEN CLEAR, and until code changes can be put in place."
02:37:20 [DI]Wolver: "i think it's important for everyone to follow Kortoz example and have ALL mods be diligent in documenting all occurences....i know i have slacked in this depeartment as well but we all need to keep track of these infractions"
02:37:25 [PS]Dr Evil: "there will be situations in which players disco unintentionally..."
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "w00t w00t, another one ;P hehe"
02:37:46 Gideon: "I have listed 3 or 4 obvious disconnects, myself."
[02:38:12 05/06/02] * [-GTN-]Kortoz whispered "lol, /me blushes"
02:38:13 [PS]Dr Evil: "it happens to us all, what we're looking for is clear infractions and repeat offenders. "
[02:38:28 05/06/02] * Gideon nods at [PS]Dr Evil...
02:38:52 [DI]Vinco: "Sounds good to me."
02:39:26 Gideon: "And for those that self disconnect: If you cannot afford to lose the ship you are flying, then fly somthing else. Nothing is forcing you to fly dreadnoughts on suicide missions..."
02:39:36 [PS]Dr Evil: "we happened to catch someone today as listed in the pmf... the player refused to chat about it and logged. "
02:39:41 Gideon: "That message is only for the intentional disconnecters...."
[02:39:46 05/06/02] * [-[A]-]AgentStarblazer has entered the room...
02:40:33 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "he was active in chat during our whispers, so we know he was not afk"
02:41:19 Gideon: "The importance of posting the people you witness this behaiviour is that this lets us form a list of repeat offenders."
02:41:34 [PS]Dr Evil: "what has been extremely helpful in catching intentional discos is the players themselves, we got several reports immediately this morning when it happened."
02:41:39 [DI]Vinco: "I may need to log off. I'm on a modem, and a storm's moved into the area."
02:41:49 Gideon: "So that people who do this can be easily identified, and because people who do this are more likely to exploit the game in other areas."
02:42:01 [PS]Dr Evil: "no prob vinco, selv is in the same boat"
02:57:21 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Yes you guys, it is critically important that you /report an intentional logout if you have reason to believe it is one."
02:42:14 Gideon: "You guys in the midwest?"
02:42:29 [[TS]]Scylon: "Just a Question, Are we aloud to report in on the cheats?"
02:57:54 [-GTN-]Demorian: "if youre about to destroy that 2% dread and it vanishes, /report it so mods can watch to see if the person appears in the lobby. if it was an internet discon or a power off, they would not appear in the lobby."
02:42:42 [PS]Dr Evil: "yes"
02:58:02 [-GTN-]Demorian: "heck yea, Scylon, youre encouraged to do so."
02:43:09 Gideon: "The /report command is for the PLAYERS to use in reporting problems with the game and cheaters they witness."
02:43:28 Gideon: "It is not the exclusive property of the moderators."
02:43:52 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "all mods and devs prenet anywhere get the /report instantly"
02:59:30 [-GTN-]Demorian: "*present"
02:44:12 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "present"
02:44:16 Gideon: "Well...in theory."
02:44:20 [PS]Dr Evil: "when you do report it, be sure to get the player name, what ship they were in, and how damaged it was, we'll put it into the naughty list for history tracking"
02:44:44 [DI]Vinco: "I'm off. Sorry, and goodnight"
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "put up a news article about reporting, period. about its importance, how to do it, etc. so people see it."
02:44:53 [-[A]-]|2eason: "later vinco"
02:44:54 [PS]Dr Evil: "night vinco"
02:44:56 [DI]Wolver: "night Viun, be careful"
02:44:57 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "l8r vinco"
02:44:57 Gideon: "Ther are some bugs with it, and not all mods get the /report. So if you see a mod not responding, give them a whiper tell or send."
[02:45:01 05/06/02] * [{BSS}]Torquemada{TsN} has entered the room...
02:45:04 Gideon: "night, Vinco."
[02:45:04 05/06/02] * [PS]Dr Evil whispered "will do"
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "hehe, sorry if that sounded like a mandate ;P"
02:45:22 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "true gid"
[02:45:55 05/06/02] * Gideon trembles before the Grand Inquisitor...
02:45:56 [PS]Dr Evil: "ok, I'll open the floor now for discussion..."
[02:46:18 05/06/02] * [-GTN-]Demorian runs from the player chat stampede and hides in a hole somewhere.
02:46:17 [-[A]-]|2eason: "hopefully the /report command will be fixed soon....anyway, back on topic, I think this is definatly something to add into as an exploit."
02:46:17 [[TS]]Scylon: "I've got nothing really on this issus, it"
02:46:20 [PB]Smokey: "dang wish i knew it started 1 hour sooner... oh well next time..."
02:46:23 [SW]Maelstrom02: "I don't think this can really be inforced on the SS servers"
02:46:25 [[TS]]Scylon: "all been discussed"
02:46:37 [SW]Maelstrom02: "I've been playing them for a week straight and I get disconnected all the time"
02:46:46 [SW]Maelstrom02: "I'm on a cable not a 56k"
03:02:16 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Maelstrom"
03:02:21 [-GTN-]Demorian: "does the game disconnect you or the cable?"
02:47:09 [DI]Demonstrike: "It needs to be added to the exploit list It's used by cheaters "
02:47:10 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "I got 1 today thanx to players using /report"
02:47:18 [PS]Dr Evil: "actually, we will be enforcing it in SS as well if the player has a case history"
02:47:19 [SW]Maelstrom02: "I agree in the MV"
02:47:22 [[TS]]Scylon: "I'm never really dicoed, I'm in Australia on a cable"
02:47:25 Gideon: "Maelstrom, we are not looking for people with many disconnects. Rather, people with certain types of disconnects,."
02:47:31 [PS]Dr Evil: "it will be added tonight"
02:47:41 [OCD] IceMan: "I've spoken to a good few members who have either Nvidia Geforce 2,3 or 4's who get kicked from the entire game+client altogether im one myself and cause i can be back in the lobby within secs of it crashing out could this not also be seen maybe as a intentional log out ??"
03:03:04 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Maelstrom if its an ISP disconnect you will not reappear in the lobby."
02:47:53 Gideon: "There is a certain style and pattern involved that precludes people who simply have unstable connections."
02:47:57 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "It should be in Scenarios even more than MV..."
02:48:00 [PS]Dr Evil: "we're looking for people who routinely disco just before they're about to die."
03:03:30 [-GTN-]Demorian: "if you are reported to be disconnecting from battle and then magically reappear in the lobby quickly, the tide is already against you."
02:48:14 [SW]Maelstrom02: "btw is the reported violation a heavy supply ship with 1% hull left behing chased by me and 3 other dreads heh?"
02:48:19 [OCD] IceMan: "rgr"
02:48:25 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "in MV, you can prove it better... SS they don't get back in the same spot at 2 hull.."
02:48:30 [SW]Maelstrom02: "actually the disconnects I receive are just from the S servers"
02:48:39 [PS]Dr Evil: "Ice, your disco won't just happen in combat then, we're looking for the guys who only disco in combat just before they die."
02:48:44 [SW]Maelstrom02: "I can connect to the lobby and MV just fine"
02:49:20 [OCD] IceMan: "Mael you never sometimes get in game and it minimises on you for no reason ever ??"
02:49:25 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "I have disco problems when I hit ctrl - alt - delete... dunno why "
02:49:25 Gideon: "Once again, we are looking for people with a certain pattern to their disconnects, not people with unstable connections."
[02:49:45 05/06/02] * Gideon laughs at [TWP]PizzaTheHut...
02:50:06 [SW]Maelstrom02: "also any word on the mass disconnects the newb server has been receiving lately? like 90-05% of the people on getting booted at once..with maybe 2 or 3 still left?"
02:50:06 [DI]Demonstrike: "Everyone gets disco at sometime "
02:50:07 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "my only thing..."
02:50:08 [PS]Dr Evil: "T minus 3 days and counting to DSL...."
[02:50:10 05/06/02] * [[TS]]Scylon thinks he may be hitting it 2 times
02:50:23 [OCD] IceMan: "its only 110% stable sitting the lobby oh well better stay in lobby more often hehe"
02:50:33 [SW]Maelstrom02: "heh"
02:50:34 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "Mods are fast to jump on someone for disco, yet you lag into planet, and you have to beg for refund..."
02:51:00 [OCD] IceMan: "forgiveness*"
02:51:03 [S.W]juxtapose: "there are refunds?"
02:51:12 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "I drop from lobby more than servers"
02:51:29 [PB]Smokey: "SS was good for me yesterday, played through a few whole games with no disconnects... if im not mistaken if someone on the same thread crashes you get the boot as well? i know that used to be a problem alittle time back?"
02:51:36 [S.W]juxtapose: "I must have lagged into planets atleast...um...131 times"
02:51:36 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "so lobby is less stable... but this isn't really about that"
02:51:36 [OCD] IceMan: "im opposite its weird how something work out"
02:51:38 [[TS]]Scylon: "only problems i have is connecting to the lobby"
02:51:48 Gideon: "I think that may have to do with the fact that only admins can refund you your points, and that people TRY to abuse that system, so we must be careful."
02:51:56 [SW]Maelstrom02: "could be worse..I was trying to fully mod a ship in the SS server and it kept disconnecting me every time I fully modded the ship"
02:51:58 [PS]Dr Evil: "yes smokey, it usually takes out several players at once"
02:52:27 [SW]Maelstrom02: "it did return my money each time though:)"
[02:52:27 05/06/02] * Gideon laughs at [S.W]juxtapose...
02:52:34 [SW]Maelstrom02: "only reason I didn't throw a fit"
02:52:38 [DI]Demonstrike: "That has happen a few times but not often"
02:52:40 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "I agree gid, I'm just stating a point... I don't hit planets much myself "
02:53:02 [SW]Maelstrom02: "lol I've been playing a week and I've allready hit 39:)"
02:53:07 [PS]Dr Evil: "almost have of my deaths are planet lagging "
02:53:09 [S.W]juxtapose: "how about lagging through battle...not just a little..but the whole thing"
02:53:13 [PB]Smokey: "yeah i tend to be pretty carefull around planets...  )"
02:53:24 [S.W]juxtapose: "and then suddenly...you're dead"
02:53:29 [PS]Dr Evil: "ok, time to button this one up and move on.... thanks for your comments everyone"
02:53:43 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "it's all timing the server =P"
02:54:09 [TWP]King Kull: "it seems that lag gets worse the longer the game clock has been running, some mv systems have over 200 and some 300 hours, the lag is bad in those systems"
[02:54:11 05/06/02] * [PB]tragicx whispered "How about the "I was listening the the DS radio, and wasn't paying attention" excuse.. hehe post that up..."
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "LOL"
02:54:41 [PS]Dr Evil: "Next topic.... new mod vote..... "
END OF PUBLIC LOG
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