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Cadet
Joined: July 23, 2001
Posts: 159
From: California
|  Posted: 2002-03-19 23:03
* EVENT: 'NA Region Staff Meeting' event is starting now...
03:00:34 [-GTN-]Demorian: "okeedokee, all non-mods need to shushshush  mac, got an agenda?"
03:00:34 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "ok lets start"
03:00:35 Taelron: "i came in to play thought the mmeting was in an hour"
03:04:51 [PS]-mac-: "Topics: open - /whisper me anything you want tabled"
* [-GTN-]Space Affe affe should get 3k pres
03:01:15 [-GTN-]Space Affe: "whops"
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "the *** and what we should do if someone says s*** instead of s*** and stuff like that"
* [-GTN-]Space Affe whispered "affe should get 3k pres"
* Taelron whispered "ppl running planets into the ground with def and they dont rebel"
03:01:34 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Affe, quiet. *slap*"
03:02:57 Shigernafy: "hey all... have we started?"
03:07:08 [PS]-mac-: "Topics:"
03:03:06 [-GTN-]Demorian: "yea, macs getting topics together"
03:03:11 Taelron: "whisper topics to mac"
03:07:16 [PS]-mac-: "1. The *** issue"
03:03:14 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "just about"
03:07:24 [PS]-mac-: "2. "Planet economics: deliberately running planets into the ground""
03:03:18 [-GTN-]Demorian: "in classic unorganized mac STAHYLE"
03:03:36 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "BAN!"
03:03:54 Gideon: "That's your answer to everything..."
03:04:01 Gideon: "not that I mind."
03:08:07 [PS]-mac-: "3. "AI Farming": Multiple starports to "grow" trans to kill"
03:04:12 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "ehem"
03:04:13 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "lol  "
* Shigernafy thanks everyone for the welcome then glares at them to, in the words of the great Demorian, shaddup...
03:04:16 Taelron: "if it works, dont fix it "
03:08:44 [PS]-mac-: "ok, let's start with #1 ... any comments (mods only please)"
03:04:56 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "ok my 2 cents..."
03:05:12 Gideon: "I honestly dont mind the asterisks."
03:05:13 Taelron: "i stand by what i posted in the Moderator Feedback and PMF forums..."
03:05:16 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "peeps who use AI trans as their PD..."
03:05:45 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "whoops."
03:06:29 Gideon: "I think that if you don't spell it out phonetically or with alphanumeric symbols its no problem."
03:06:50 Gideon: "Picture old comics and cartoons. $#^#$!%^&!"
03:06:59 Gideon: "Same general thing."
03:07:01 Taelron: "you can be held liable for "implied" meaning..."
03:07:28 Taelron: "anyways my whole rant on it is on the bottom of the second page: http://www.darkspace.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic=5584&forum=38&start=15"
* [TDO]ShadowRanger whispered "I'm being quiet, please dont kick me"
03:07:32 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "when someone rights **** (ie this is ****! this is ******* stupid) my mind wants to put something there, but usualy it isnt shoot, or stinking, and to me, if someone makes an implied word, its no difference to me"
03:07:35 Gideon: "Right, but also we are not all in elementary school."
03:07:59 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "they are just trying to scoot the rules"
* [PS]-mac- whispered "Spectators - silent - are welcome Any topics you have, just /whisper"
03:08:14 Gideon: "BUT I don't want to get into an argument about this right now."
03:08:30 Taelron: "we are not... but there are some younger players, granted not 9 year olds, but younger... their parents may not approve and can pull their childs account and complain to ds"
* [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer whispered "I think the record needs to be set straight as to the authority and soveriegnty of Palestar and the fifth amendment. It seems to be brought up quite often in a round about way."
03:09:06 [-GTN-]Demorian: "my personal stance is i will support and enforce whatever becomes the rule, but i think *** should be allowed as it is analogous to the radio/TV BEEP when a bad word is spoken"
03:09:08 [-GTN-]Space Affe: "heh stupid 9 year olds"
03:09:14 [-GTN-]Demorian: "thats my 2 cents, in a nutshell"
03:09:15 Gideon: "Perhaps some kind of disclamer. The fact is that we are not omnipotent and players WILL see cursing at some point."
* [PS]-mac- whispered "The 5th ... is the right to not introduce evidence or speech on the grounds it may incriminate, is it not?"
03:10:14 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "dem *** are not supposed to be allowed.... its like missing the whole point of not swearing..."
03:10:17 Gideon: "We CYA and do our best to stomp on the most obvious abuses, like beey44tch, etc.."
03:10:30 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "TV doesnt BLEEP when some says crap, shoot, darn etc."
03:10:38 Taelron: "problem is disclaimers do not always protect you... the open chat channels in DS can be considered "Public Forums" and thus PS can be held liable for anything said there in"
* [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer whispered "yes, I stand corrected, I mean the freedom of speech."
03:10:47 Shigernafy: "maybe something where swear words are all six stars by default, with no letters shown. That way, its hard to put in a word to sub.. and if they try something else more obvious, its an offense."
03:11:08 Shigernafy: "that was more in response to Lith a few minutes ago.."
03:11:24 Gideon: "A curse word filter? Someone will have to compile a database."
03:11:26 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "it would be nice shig"
03:11:29 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "wait **** should not be used when using it on a second person basis IE:''hey you ***** you man!'' "
03:15:32 [PS]-mac-: "A disclaimer may be the thing ... that it is beyond the control of PS staff to *fully* moderate such language or implication of such language ... but, that doesn't relieve us of the responsibility to moderate the more 'exhuberant' speakers"
03:11:32 Gideon: "And we should be able to add to it."
03:12:03 Gideon: "Logically we cannot police everywhere all the time."
* [TDO]ShadowRanger whispered "may I speak?"
03:12:12 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "@gideon peeps will try to spell that word differently and find loopholes..."
03:12:15 Gideon: "And the press may do us good...wait bad thought..."
03:12:29 Shigernafy: "oh, and the mods would see the word (maybe in parens after? don't know if that can be done easily), so they can know what was said.."
03:12:29 Gideon: "Right, so we can add to the database."
03:12:36 Gideon: "As moderators."
* [PS]-mac- whispered "Because PaleStar (and therefore, DarkSpace) is a privately owned company, and the GCQL is run on privately-owned servers, the venue doesn't fall under a Freedom of Speech amendment"
03:12:46 Taelron: "when its once or twice i just typical ignore it, but when they are staring 20 words in a sentance and repeatidly spamming out starred sentences, thats to much"
* [PS]-mac- whispered "whisper it to me "
03:13:08 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "yeah, just add the different spellings, heck sometimes i dont want to play and chat is boring and i have nothin to do, i would gladly do that"
03:13:17 Gideon: "Particularly in all caps. That is the sign of someone working up a coronary."
* [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer whispered "agreed, it is something that I try to relate when things get heate, but it doesn't seem to be a statement in a conspicous place."
03:14:15 Gideon: "Say, if we are discussing potential changes to GCQL, shouldn't Selvarian be here?"
* [TDO]ShadowRanger whispered "If one cannot express themselves without filfty lang, the need to read "word powerd" in Redares Digest and expand thier vocabulary, big F is correct no. obsenities on chat period"
03:14:40 Taelron: "he is working on some major project this week"
03:18:52 [PS]-mac-: "Selv's tied up ... I'll relay the chat to him a little later"
* [ C `] Dwarden has entered the room...
03:15:00 Gideon: "He should know if we are "volenteering" him for anything."
* [PS]Selvarian has entered the room...
03:15:07 Gideon: "OK"
03:15:12 Gideon: "Speak of the devil..."
03:15:14 [PS]Selvarian: "Sorry. Was detained."
03:15:15 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "ehem speaking of the.."
03:15:16 Shigernafy: "speak of the devil"
03:15:20 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "speaking of that lazy guy... oh hey selv "
03:15:22 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "hello selv"
* [ C `] Dwarden smiles at [PS]Selvarian...
03:15:52 [PS]Selvarian: "lazy my clawed foot...."
03:20:03 [PS]-mac-: "Go back to work, Selv  "
03:16:12 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "heh lol"
03:16:13 [PS]Selvarian: "I'm spectating tonight..."
* [TDO]ShadowRanger whispered "ugh, sorry about my spelling, hope the thought got thru"
03:16:29 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "yeah, maybe you should clip those toe nails selv "
03:20:31 [PS]-mac-: "OK - any comments (short, please) on the current topic, from non-moderators?"
03:16:32 [PS]Selvarian: "I am, I am"
03:16:45 Gideon: "So, we were talking about a curse word filter for chat?"
03:16:45 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "and get them washed too.."
* [PS]-mac- whispered "ok, go ahead ... place your comment in the chat"
03:17:02 [-GTN-]Space Affe: "i dont see the problem with ppl saying stuff like **** that..."
03:17:14 [TDO]ShadowRanger: "As far as the swearing is concerned"
03:17:25 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "space what if a person tell you to ***** off!"
03:17:33 [-GTN-]Demorian: "i saw (whoever's) point in saying someone could say **** YOU MAN, YOU ***HOLE!!! and get away with it if *** was allowed...and based on that...."
03:17:35 [-GTN-]Space Affe: "when you turn on the raido or m TV and hear stuff more along the lines of F**K that"
03:17:42 [TDO]ShadowRanger: "Filfy lanf shound never be tolerated"
03:17:52 [-GTN-]Demorian: "i will support a policy of anti-asterisk "
03:17:56 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "I fail to see the reason for typing such a thing in the first place. It takes thought to type and therefore is intentional."
03:18:07 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "anti asterisk here"
03:18:07 Gideon: "Now the, the all caps and structure are a sure sign of hostile intent."
03:18:13 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "*BING*"
03:18:21 Taelron: "i am anti asteriks too, this is from the actual lobby, tell me you dont have a problem with it: 23:51:36 kelrathi: "bulls*** u f***en jew" "
03:18:37 [ C `] Dwarden: "Talron BUT you wasnt here"
03:18:39 Smokey: "OMG that guy is a moron..."
03:18:39 [-GTN-]Space Affe: "i dont see the reason for censoring them so we can make DS like the cuckie cheese of online games"
03:18:42 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "hope that guy was kicked"
03:18:43 [TDO]ShadowRanger: "If u cant express ur self ,without cursing , read "word power" in readers Digest"
03:18:46 [ C `] Dwarden: "HE was abusing me"
03:18:48 [ C `] Dwarden: "darkspace"
03:18:51 [ C `] Dwarden: "developers"
03:18:53 [ C `] Dwarden: "spamming"
03:18:55 Gideon: "Yes, Dark, but humans are thoughtless beings that want others to take responsibility for their actions."
03:19:01 [ C `] Dwarden: "and cussing other users"
03:19:15 [ C `] Dwarden: "he got multiple warning"
03:19:16 Gideon: "Question, does anyone here know how public forums elsewhere handle this?"
03:19:19 [ C `] Dwarden: "he was kicked"
03:19:20 [ C `] Dwarden: "banned"
03:19:22 [TDO]ShadowRanger: "Follow the rules, no cursing or be baneed"
03:19:22 [ C `] Dwarden: "kicked"
03:19:23 [ C `] Dwarden: "banned"
03:19:24 [ C `] Dwarden: "banned"
03:19:26 [-GTN-]Space Affe: "yes **** that and make mac give me 3k more pres"
03:19:34 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "heck, i will take responsibily for anyone who wants to swear, i'll take it and click my little "kick" button"
03:19:42 Taelron: "i read the chat i said those who think the stars werent bad should read that, i am anti star"
* [TDO]ShadowRanger whispered "was that ok?"
03:19:52 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "I have seen instant bans elsewhere"
03:23:54 [PS]-mac-: "Affe, please restrict your comments to the topic at hand - thanks"
* [PS]-mac- whispered "perfect "
03:20:07 [-GTN-]Space Affe: "=P"
03:20:12 Gideon: "OK, so this is a "judgement of the observing moderator" kind of thing?"
* [-GTN-]Darq Duck snickers at space affe
03:20:37 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "i think so gideon"
03:20:46 [-GTN-]Space Affe: "what ever i dont care how it goes im just sike of the ongoing argueent of the ****"
03:20:50 Gideon: "Truthfully I think context is everything."
03:20:52 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "although that could get some peeps in trouble"
* [TDO]ShadowRanger whispered "I hope selv doesnt get mad for me piping up  "
03:25:01 [PS]-mac-: "For now, I think it's still a judgement call ... use your judgement, try to calm the person down, etc etc"
* [PS]-mac- whispered "Don't worry about it "
03:21:11 Gideon: "And so I think it should be up to the moderator to judge."
03:21:15 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "rgr mac, will do our best"
03:21:19 Gideon: "Roger that, Mac."
03:26:09 [PS]-mac-: "ok, let's move on ..."
03:22:16 [-GTN-]Space Affe: "the room has gotten earily quiet"
03:26:26 [PS]-mac-: "Topics: 1. The *** issue (closed) 2. "Planet economics: deliberately running planets into the ground" 3. "AI Farming": Multiple starports to "grow" trans to kill 4. AIs as PD"
* [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer whispered "I was present at that item Tael brought up, which brings up IP banning, something I think Dwarden is working on now?"
03:22:43 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "ok i was typing a really long line but then we're through so what the hey."
* [PS]-mac- whispered "I believe so ... if not, I'll put the buzz in Faustus' ear about access to player IPs"
03:27:13 [PS]-mac-: "go ahead, Darq"
03:23:16 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "with the planet economis there isnt anything we can do, but as i understand it once 1.4 is out it wont matter"
03:23:20 Gideon: "Isn't part two coverend in the RoC?"
03:23:32 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "mac.. nm.."
03:23:33 [-GTN-]Demorian: "part 2 is covered in RoC"
03:23:37 [-GTN-]Demorian: "as an exploit"
03:23:37 Gideon: "yes, 1.4 will help, but you can still miss-build."
03:23:41 [-GTN-]Demorian: "grief playing is against the rules"
* [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer whispered "cool, in this instance it was severely needed."
03:24:10 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "miss build, yeah that could be a problem"
03:24:42 Gideon: "Only way to prevent that is to fully lock down planets, and that is too resrictive."
03:25:01 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "well this is not about planet economics and diliberately building to the ground but it is about the engineer ship.... the simplier engineer ships should only build mines, barracks, starports, factories.."
03:25:24 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "yeah"
03:25:30 Gideon: "Or is this about building 16 defense bases in scenario servers?"
03:25:36 Smokey: "and colony hub.."
03:25:43 Gideon: "On every planet reguardles of the economy."
03:25:45 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "cause its not diliberatly but noobs build planets in the beggining and the like see wow defense base.. we need this.. and so they build 16 def base...."
03:25:48 Taelron: "16 def bases or all depots.. etc"
03:25:58 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "rgr gideon"
03:26:17 Taelron: "the planets are making -4000 credits but never revolt"
03:26:29 Gideon: "This is sadly not a newbie tactic. It is the only way people really build up planets in scenarios."
03:26:44 Gideon: "I think we may have to ride this out until 1.4 is released."
03:26:58 Gideon: "Because so much changes with that."
03:27:00 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "its the only way you can, unless you wanna spend an hour before you get a def base with + credits"
03:27:27 Taelron: "i have been in beta and with 32 structs its still possible for 10 def bases"
03:27:30 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "i agree gideon.. it hurts to play in scenario when theres 1 hour in a game and you got like 100,000 resources..."
03:28:00 Gideon: "I typically make between 12 and 16 per planet. But that takes about an hour to build up."
03:28:18 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "taelron, yeah but its supposed to be that way, makes it impossible to bomb though"
03:28:57 [-[A]-]|2eason: "hello, Sorry late, Putting up new server...."
03:29:09 Gideon: "Sadly, NOT impossible."
03:29:17 Taelron: "i dont have an issue with that, if the planet can support it... if not then whats the use of having an economy if it doesnt matter"
03:29:27 Gideon: "you can still get through with one ship, but only if you are ICC."
03:29:28 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "true dat taelron"
* [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer whispered "suggestion: perhaps the scenario's should be set as a battlefield only since that is what most players join for. They build because they must, but it isn't lucrative."
03:29:38 Gideon: "The planet can Taelron."
03:29:39 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "this is with BETA?"
03:29:44 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "with bomber dread right?"
03:29:45 Gideon: "yes."
03:30:04 Gideon: "Dunno but I assume that. I can get through with a missile dread."
03:30:11 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "we're a bit off topic.."
03:30:16 Gideon: "right, sorry."
03:30:23 Shigernafy: "there's a topic?"
03:30:24 Smokey: "can use a jump cruiser.. just need to do multi jump fire tactics to have multiple cruise missles hit the sametime.."
03:30:34 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "lol shig"
03:35:08 [PS]-mac-: "ok, so ... conclusion: not much can be done right now - but 1.4 should take care of it more or less ..."
03:31:17 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "rg"
03:31:20 [-GTN-]Demorian: "rgr"
03:31:23 Taelron: "all i am saying is that the economy and upkeep should count if not enough then it should automaticly go off line or be scrapped"
03:31:27 Smokey: "yeah anyway probably just have to wait for 1.4.. i don't see any changes coming until after 1.4 release...."
03:31:37 Taelron: "i was in 1.4 and saw some of this still"
* [PS]-mac- whispered "That's been suggested before, more or less ... nothing has come of it (yet)"
03:32:07 Smokey: "actually taelron the buildings do scrap.. but the metal is keeping the defense base repairing..."
03:32:52 Taelron: "yeah and the repair rate is a little fast"
* [-[A]-]|2eason whispered "Hey, sorry I was late, we are trying to get our server up and running..."
03:33:04 Smokey: "that's the same with the boxed inf.."
* [-GTN-]Darq Duck whispered "whats the next topic?"
* [PS]-mac- whispered "no prob, you can catch up on the part(s) you missed from the log "
03:33:13 Smokey: "anyway.. i think we should goto the next topic..."
03:37:26 [PS]-mac-: "agreed ..."
03:33:27 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "ahhh thanks smokey"
* [-[A]-]|2eason whispered ":) yep...."
03:33:43 Smokey: "and use the beta forum to post about suggestions to fix for 1.4..."
03:33:53 [-GTN-]Demorian: "agreed"
03:38:01 [PS]-mac-: "Topics: 1. The *** issue (closed) 2. "Planet economics: deliberately running planets into the ground" (closed) 3. "AI Farming": Multiple starports to "grow" trans to kill 4. AIs as PD"
03:34:05 [-GTN-]Demorian: "ah yes.....about boxed inf..if we catch someone doing it, what do we do?"
03:34:15 [ C `] Dwarden: "Mac"
03:38:23 [PS]-mac-: "I believe #3 is covered in the RoC"
03:34:20 [ C `] Dwarden: "ONLY one answer about AI"
03:34:26 [ C `] Dwarden: "DISABLE ALL AI PRESTIGE"
03:34:31 [ C `] Dwarden: "NOW"
* [TDO]ShadowRanger whispered ""PD's"??"
03:34:41 [-GTN-]Demorian: "yea it is, however doing it in the way that you described"
03:34:44 Gideon: "Aye, this is an obvious exploit."
03:34:47 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Dwarden, no need to yell in his face"
03:34:55 [-GTN-]Demorian: "doing it in the way you described warrants an immediate ban"
03:34:58 [-GTN-]Demorian: "because thats EXTREME exploitation"
* [PS]-mac- whispered "point-defense"
03:35:02 Smokey: "dwarden wouldn't that require a patch to be released? i doubt faustus will make one for 1.3..."
03:35:06 Gideon: "Anyone doing this is activly trying to exploit the system."
03:35:09 [-GTN-]Demorian: "exploiting the system to produce MASSIVE prestige by literally controlling spawn rates"
03:35:13 [-GTN-]Demorian: "thats an immediate ban in my book"
03:35:16 Gideon: "I take a very dim veiw of that."
03:35:22 [ C `] Dwarden: "Smokey that need server patch not client side one"
03:35:37 Smokey: "ahh k00l.. i don't know how it's setup..."
03:35:58 Taelron: "but we can not see everything happening so as long as the players dont see us they will do it... so by removing all points for it, there is no reason to do it"
03:35:59 Smokey: "i wonder can he still go back and make a patch for the 1.3 server? im sure the 1.4 servers are different..."
* [{BSS-214}]Hermie has entered the room...
03:36:37 [ C `] Dwarden: "1st we need FAUSTUS to be able respond on these problems fast"
03:36:37 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "taelron, there is still a reason to do it, the goods"
03:36:51 [ C `] Dwarden: "cause these things are not to be solved next day, next week or next month"
03:36:52 Shigernafy: "but its a weakness in the system.. shouldn't it be fixed, above banning all players near a transport?"
03:37:02 [ C `] Dwarden: "they must be solved in minutes maximally in hours"
03:37:04 Smokey: "i agree Dwarden"
03:37:17 [ C `] Dwarden: "i'm pisssed when i see someone gain 1800 prestige in 3 hours"
03:41:21 [PS]-mac-: "I don't know if Faustus uses a RCS or not (Revision Control System) - if he doesn't, then it might be difficult, if not impossible, to rework the code"
03:37:26 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "dwarden, he might be a LITTLE busy trying to come out with a major update"
03:37:33 Shigernafy: "I've shot one trans so that they all fire bombs at their neighbors, all blowing up, and i'll take the goods.."
03:37:39 Gideon: "By the way, I think they may have been doing it for the credits."
03:37:48 Gideon: "They do cruise missile dreads alot."
03:37:51 [ C `] Dwarden: "Lith that Major update have LOVER priority as major Exploit FIX"
03:37:58 Smokey: "yeah that's what thinking Mac... not easy to go back and work with old code..."
03:38:09 Gideon: "I don't think they cared about the prestege."
03:38:12 [ C `] Dwarden: "cheats and exploits and fatal client bugs need be fixed 1st"
03:38:17 Smokey: "if he didn't have 1.4 in the works im sure this would've been fixed..."
03:38:28 Gideon: "I agree Dwarden"
03:38:33 [ C `] Dwarden: "w/o arguments about, cause they will kill game in future too"
03:38:53 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "dwarden, its not a MAJOR exploit, there was one bad case, might be a few small ones, its nothing like the scale of the PCMDs"
03:38:56 [ C `] Dwarden: "any who made prestige in exploit till fixed have unfair advatage 4ever"
03:38:59 Smokey: "why care about credits? all ppl with negative credits in 1.4 will be reset to 5000 creidts or whatever"
03:39:05 [ C `] Dwarden: "SMALL ONE ?"
03:39:25 Gideon: "I think that he already has a system in works (1.4) so he is trying to get that out as fast as possible to fix the numberous planetary problems that this addresses."
03:39:35 Gideon: "@"
03:39:39 Smokey: "so farming AI for credits is a lame excuse especially when they are sooo far into the hole already..."
03:39:41 [ C `] Dwarden: "PCM is same size as AI farming"
03:39:51 Gideon: "@Smokey, aye, but they have somthing like 500K credits."
03:39:57 [-GTN-]Demorian: "guys lets not argue here"
03:39:57 Gideon: "That is alot."
03:40:04 Shigernafy: "ok guys.. chill out, and lets get back on track."
03:40:06 Gideon: "right."
03:40:09 [-GTN-]Demorian: "(ie Dwarden and Lith)"
03:40:10 Shigernafy: "this is getting us nowhere."
03:40:14 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "realy? well, in the MV i see plenty of PCMDs, havent seen any AI farming"
03:40:24 Smokey: "i looked at some of those guys the other day and they had some negative credits..."
03:40:37 Smokey: "from stripping cruise.."
03:40:37 [ C `] Dwarden: "Lith then better u enter MV and wait hour"
03:40:42 Gideon: "I think that transport farming is obvious to spot, and should be concidered an automatic third warning at the least."
03:44:47 [PS]-mac-: "Yes, back on track ... anything from the non-mods before we move on?"
03:40:44 Shigernafy: "Basically, its an exploit. Mac... what do we do if we see it? That's the point of this topic."
03:40:52 [ C `] Dwarden: "after u see 120 messages of kill from 1 player camping in his EAD planet"
03:41:01 [ C `] Dwarden: "what u can think..."
03:41:08 [PS]Selvarian: "Faustus uses Visual Source Safe, but I don't think he has concurrent versioning set up."
* [TWP]Ramius whispered "hes that "special case" of AI farming been taken care of yet? cause i still see his rank unchanged..."
03:41:40 Gideon: "i need food, brb."
03:41:45 [PS]Selvarian: "IE, I don't think he can go back and make a 1.3 patch at this point, because the code for 1.3 is no longer avauilable."
* [TDO]ShadowRanger scratches his head in bewilderment
03:46:38 [PS]-mac-: "@Shiger: As any other exploit ... catch someone, warn them and place them in the PMF - if they are caught again, then my personal opinion is that they should be banned immediately"
03:42:51 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "If the code cannot be changed then the powers that be should consider immediate bans or at least 3rd warning status"
03:42:59 Shigernafy: "well then there we go. Lets move on."
03:43:21 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "i agree with dark"
03:43:34 [-GTN-]Demorian: "mac, don't you think that an exploit so severe as blatantly and knowingly controlling spawn rates of trannies warrants immediate ban?"
03:44:06 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "we should post in the general forum about it, and then when we catch someone we can fix the problem, might discourage some players"
03:44:11 Gideon: "Back, ok, i agree."
03:44:13 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "query: How long is a "Ban"?"
03:44:24 [-GTN-]Demorian: "24 hours"
03:44:24 [ C `] Dwarden: "24hrs"
03:44:27 Smokey: "24 hours"
03:44:28 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "thanks"
03:44:37 Shigernafy: "but the person(s) you see blowing trannies may have just come across a built up system... so warn them first. If you catch them again, then its an immediate ban."
03:44:41 [PS]Selvarian: "Bans can be tailored by admins, just FYI"
* Shigernafy orders up an 18 hour ban...
03:45:10 [TWP]Ramius: "and what of the AI prestige they have already made?"
03:45:20 Gideon: "@Shig, these farmings are about four transports per planet."
03:45:22 [PS]Selvarian: "Will be reset."
03:45:22 [ C `] Dwarden: "thats problem"
03:45:31 [ C `] Dwarden: "@selv how"
03:45:32 [TWP]Ramius: "excellent selv."
03:45:33 Shigernafy: "just have to put out a manhunt to blow them up enough to lower their points.. "
03:49:39 [PS]-mac-: "@Dem: as Shiger said ... it may not have been them that set the situation up. If you see someone building 10 ports just for farming, then killing AI ... then yes, ban immediately as it's an obvious infraction"
03:45:41 [ C `] Dwarden: "how u want differ AI prestige from non AI ?"
03:45:42 [PS]Selvarian: "Kills/combat stats wiped."
03:45:52 [-GTN-]Demorian: "i want to see Seldorado's profile reset"
03:45:58 [-GTN-]Demorian: "err combat profile"
03:45:59 [-GTN-]Demorian: "sorry"
03:46:06 [PS]Selvarian: "credits wiped."
03:46:09 Gideon: "I say community service. Make them clean the transport's windows for a while!"
03:46:25 Shigernafy: "he only has 5000 combat points. What's wrong with that? ;P"
03:46:27 [PS]Selvarian: "THose are the main stats affected by tranny farming."
03:46:29 [ C `] Dwarden: "Selv to everyone ?"
03:46:32 Smokey: "has it been done yet Selv?"
03:46:34 [-GTN-]Space Affe: " makem clean up gaifen poop in the park"
03:46:40 [PS]Selvarian: "No, just those who are caught."
03:46:47 [ C `] Dwarden: "we can catch only percent of them ..."
03:46:57 [PS]Selvarian: "Not yet. Faustus and I have been missing each other."
03:47:02 [ C `] Dwarden: ":("
03:47:02 [-GTN-]Demorian: "aye Dwarden"
03:47:04 [PS]Selvarian: "True enough."
03:47:07 Gideon: "Credits wiped, and a 50%-75% reduction in number of kills and combat points."
* [ C `] Dwarden wants WHILE to access DS database and backup database
03:47:24 Smokey: "no wipe it all..."
03:47:27 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "suggestion: Post as news those that are caught and punished."
03:47:31 Smokey: "the no percentages.."
* [ C `] Dwarden see that new BOLD news, Accout DAta info loss ...
03:47:53 [PS]Selvarian: "No, for the ones who build the systems, like Seldorado and Tad-Morpheus, the stats will be zeroed."
03:47:58 Gideon: "Hmmm, a public posting. Isn't there one already in general?"
03:48:37 Gideon: "Guess not, must be halucinating again..."
03:48:49 [ C `] Dwarden: "no we need WALL OF SHAME"
03:48:57 [ C `] Dwarden: "NAME, DATE, WHY EXECUTE"
03:48:59 [ C `] Dwarden: "D"
03:49:08 Smokey: "names can be changed..."
03:49:09 Gideon: "Oh, man, let's not start this again..."
03:49:13 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "thats good also"
* Shigernafy reminds Dwarden that while emphasis is nice, capitals can be overused...
* [PS]-mac- whispered "If you can't get with Faustus by Sunday, let's discuss it in the admin meeting and maybe 'take the bull by the horns', and mete out the punishment to the ones caught already ... Faustus might not have the time to think on it"
03:49:25 [ C `] Dwarden: "Smokey right"
03:49:29 [ C `] Dwarden: "account ID is better"
03:49:54 Gideon: "True, that is public knowledge as well..."
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "I'll have talked to him by then, but if not, then I agree."
* [PS]-mac- whispered "ok, noted"
03:50:27 Gideon: "i wonder if you could attach the listed name to the account ID automatically, so it updates..."
03:50:30 [ C `] Dwarden: "ID, nickNAME in moment of Caugh, Date, Crime"
03:51:00 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "and punishment"
03:51:09 [ C `] Dwarden: "plus we really need add to profile amount of warnings, punts, kicks and bans !"
03:51:20 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "hehe"
03:51:41 Gideon: "A public list may also remind the public that we are here and that we do take an active role in punishing players."
03:51:57 Gideon: "Could keep the people in line and raise morale at the same time."
03:52:09 [ C `] Dwarden: "hmm what about each clan member must pay 100 prestige for theirs clan mate fail ? ... i'm pretty sure they will sort that guy in RL with hands lol"
03:52:17 [ C `] Dwarden: "^^^ that was off topic "
03:52:17 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "dwarden, that would be good, if a player has been warned a MOD just clicks a button like the "kick" button and it adds a talley mark or something to their WARNINGS section"
03:52:25 Gideon: "i can see the friendly fire now..."
03:52:32 [-GTN-]Demorian: "do we really want to put up a list of people who have done something wrong?"
03:52:39 [-GTN-]Demorian: "and let them be shunned by the entire community?"
03:52:47 [ C `] Dwarden: "yeah instead of direct KICK mod will enabled special COUNTER"
03:52:49 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "Would the Admins care to chance a comment on this?"
03:52:59 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "comments should be able to be added"
03:53:04 Gideon: "No, we want a list of people who have repeatedly and seriously sought to unbalance and break the game."
03:53:05 [ C `] Dwarden: "after you or any other mod click 3 times, you fill counter and he is kicked"
03:53:08 Taelron: "there is discussion of a player history that tracks all that but its a ways off, not high on the todo list"
03:53:21 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "YES! dwarden, thats a GREAT idea"
03:53:21 Gideon: "Repeat offenders and those that seek out these abuses."
03:53:44 Gideon: "Isn't this tracked in the database already?"
03:53:47 [-GTN-]Demorian: "okay Gideon"
03:54:05 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "because i know that people do stuff wrong, get warned once by a MOD, then they do it when a diff MOD is around, get warned once, etc, etc,"
03:54:15 Gideon: "If you foul up once, no biggie."
03:54:20 Taelron: "me manual enter it in pmf,the idea is that when you issue the command it goes into a database tied to the accoutn"
03:54:30 Taelron: "er.. me=we"
03:54:38 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, "walls of shame" tend to foster a negative attitude amongst players. For example, Seldorado and Tad-Morpheus seemed genuinely sorry for their actions and accept their punishment. If they reform, why should the community continue punishing them."
03:54:50 [PS]Selvarian: "?"
03:55:08 [ C `] Dwarden: "@selv like with crime, u done crime u must live with it"
03:55:26 [ C `] Dwarden: "and everyone have right know u done crime"
03:55:28 [PS]Selvarian: "The next issue is what level of offense warrant being put there?"
03:55:31 Gideon: "I think that if the administrators think that there is genuin repentance that they can modify anything they want."
03:59:38 [PS]-mac-: "If they're punished appropriately (ie banned, prestige reduction, etc) - then there won't be any need to publicly humiliate them as well"
03:55:42 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "perhaps just a single news posting would be better then."
03:55:47 Shigernafy: "yes, but is there a list of everyone who has ever gotten in trouble with the law posted in town somewhere, Dwarden?"
03:56:01 [PS]Selvarian: "Dwarden -> True, but that punishment is in addition to the permanent public humiliation."
03:56:06 [ C `] Dwarden: "shiger yes"
03:56:06 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "ok, hows this, Selv, Mac... if a MOD warns a player about something, he should post in PMF, with reason why, transcript and all, then if he is warned by another MOD, he posts second warning there with all pretinent material, etc, etc."
03:56:06 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "well mac they might devise a way to di ut agaub"
03:56:12 [ C `] Dwarden: "i can call police and ask about man XY"
03:56:16 Gideon: "I think the fourth or fifth level of offense is most appropriate."
03:56:21 Taelron: "doing it publicly after they had been reprimanded could be seen as double jeapordy or slander"
03:56:28 [PS]Selvarian: "People make bad choices, especially when they are young. Besides, this isn't Real Life™, this is a game."
03:56:36 Shigernafy: "I know you can FIND it Dwarden, but we are suggesting it be posted in a conspicuous place. THat's different"
03:56:37 Gideon: "This allows players to have the third level and know we are serious."
03:56:55 [ C `] Dwarden: "Selv but crimes (cheats, exploits) have same bad effect like crime in real life"
03:57:06 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "*thinks someone should respond to his idea ^^^^^"
03:57:07 [ C `] Dwarden: "Shiger its posted in justice archives"
03:57:23 Gideon: "If you are wondering what I am talking about , look at the RoC, section 3.2.7."
03:57:27 [ C `] Dwarden: "our idea ragond "
03:57:49 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "that one too, was trying to lead them to it by that last one i posted"
03:57:57 Shigernafy: "again, Dwarden, it is able to be found... like asking a mod is like calling the police. But ... yeah, nevermind."
03:58:14 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "cause i dont think anyone listened to us dward"
03:58:20 [ C `] Dwarden: "@shiger in future it will be question of minutes"
03:58:27 [PS]Selvarian: "That's the way it is supposed to work anyway, Lith."
03:58:52 [ C `] Dwarden: "you only join from home/office to database of people with crime record and wrote up name"
03:59:05 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "realy? sheesh, then with all these offensise goin on why isnt the PMF chock full of that"
03:59:06 [ C `] Dwarden: "zzzz and result is here, found / not found"
03:59:29 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "suggestion: should a player get news posted as to his demise, he slould be allowed a method to expunge his record."
03:59:35 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "@Selv, about the warning counter thing, is that possible?"
03:59:38 [PS]Selvarian: "Because people are not following the RoC."
03:59:42 Gideon: "I think that also, if there are no offenses in a certain ammount of time (say three months) that their listing is automatically removed."
03:59:59 [ C `] Dwarden: "@lith possible is everything"
04:00:04 [PS]Selvarian: "Not in the PaleStar code, but something like it is on my site."
04:00:06 [ C `] Dwarden: "but u need ask Faustus not selv "
04:00:31 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "selv whats your site, i would like to take a look at it"
04:00:57 Gideon: "Right, as Dwarden said, anything can be done. Just whether the effort matches the reward..."
04:00:59 [PS]Selvarian: "Debugging session on it locally right this minute."
04:01:05 Gideon: "That is the question."
04:01:16 [PS]Selvarian: "Fixing some database issues."
* Shigernafy wonders what the next topic is...
* [-GTN-]Demorian doesnt think there is one.
04:01:51 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "ahh crap, wont make it to the gym tonight"
04:01:53 Gideon: "I suppose this one is still deadlocked."
* [TDO]ShadowRanger nods at Shigernafy...
04:06:05 [PS]-mac-: "Are we finished with the topic, or does anyone have anything further to add?"
04:02:08 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "what topic ARE we on again?"
04:02:19 Gideon: "Three, i think."
* Shigernafy doesnt think this is a very topic-filled night...
04:02:29 Gideon: "The transport farming."
04:02:30 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "AI farming"
04:02:34 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "oh yeah"
04:02:36 Shigernafy: "duh."
04:03:00 Shigernafy: "you couldn't tell?"
04:07:12 [PS]-mac-: ":)"
04:03:11 Gideon: "LOL"
04:03:17 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "was wondering if there is a consensus yet"
04:03:20 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "ok, i think we just need to give warnings, and MODs, please do your BEST to post in the PMF saying who you warned for what, that way we can REALY crack down on this"
* Shigernafy questions Lith`s intelligence...
* [-GTN-]Demorian glares at Shigernafy.
04:04:03 Smokey: "i gave Fearnick a warning for AI farming.. should keep a look out for him..."
* Gideon gets out an old trout and brandishes it menacingly at Shigernafy...
* Shigernafy gives [-GTN-]Lith Ragond a great big hug...
04:04:16 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "i know i havent done it in the past, but i will DEFINENTLY make a better attempt"
04:04:24 [PS]Selvarian: "I repeat my post in the PMF: The RoC stipulates that all punitive actions are to be logged. Right now, that is in the PMF."
* Shigernafy sends the Vinco bug Demorian`s way...
04:04:36 Gideon: "FearNick, too? How the mighty have fallen...."
04:04:36 [-GTN-]Demorian: "oh, while i am here"
* [-GTN-]Lith Ragond thinks Shig is kinda funny
04:04:51 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Please be honest, guys, I am asking this as the leader of a clan (this is on topic)"
04:04:57 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "what did nick do?"
* [TDO]ShadowRanger whispered "PMF?"
04:05:00 [-GTN-]Demorian: "has anyone seen any GTN AI/Gaifen Farming?"
04:05:11 [-GTN-]Demorian: "H@VOC accused GTN of it and I want to know if there is truth to his words."
* [PS]-mac- whispered "PMF = Private Moderator Forum"
04:05:16 Gideon: "And FE."
04:05:18 Shigernafy: "not that I can think of."
04:05:23 [-GTN-]Demorian: "yea and FE"
* [TDO]ShadowRanger whispered "doh.. thanks"
04:05:36 [-GTN-]Demorian: "if Nick is doing it, then thats like accusing a whole clan, but GTN doesn't cheat."
04:05:43 [-GTN-]Demorian: "so i was wondering if anyone else had seen anything"
04:05:51 Gideon: "He claimed that other mods had the pics to prove it. So, I assume that at least one ot them is here?"
04:05:52 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "hopefully"
04:06:15 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "anyone? i would realy like to know, so i can kick their... butt"
* [-GTN-]Space Affe has entered the room...
04:06:50 Shigernafy: "aww, Lith, perfect place to stir back up the **** argument.."
04:07:03 [-GTN-]Space Affe: "ya know faust is in da english lobby"
04:07:05 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "i avoided that "
* Shigernafy is now shutting up except for on-topic comments...
04:07:25 Shigernafy: "He's busy testing code, Affe."
* [TDO]ShadowRanger whispered "expoiters=boot. period dont let excuesmake kill the game"
* [-GTN-]Space Affe sulks
04:12:02 [PS]-mac-: "Ok, onwards and downwards ..."
* [TDO]ShadowRanger whispered "makers "
04:12:15 [PS]-mac-: "Topics: 1. The *** issue (closed) 2. "Planet economics: deliberately running planets into the ground" (closed) 3. "AI Farming": Multiple starports to "grow" trans to kill (closed) 4. AIs as PD"
* [PS]-mac- whispered ":)"
04:08:34 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "question on #4...."
04:08:35 [-GTN-]Space Affe: "lol"
04:08:36 [-GTN-]Demorian: "ah...you mean getting AIs to follow you and such"
* Shigernafy is half-afk. Let me know if anything important happens.
04:08:43 Gideon: "Man this is a toughy...."
04:09:04 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "as an extra planet PD or Protect Ship PD?"
04:13:12 [PS]-mac-: "or using AI to shoot down planet defenses"
04:09:26 [ C `] Dwarden: "DISABLE chance to give AI orders"
04:09:32 Gideon: "Or use them as bait for enemy defenses?"
04:09:34 [ C `] Dwarden: "easy, fast, final solution"
04:09:38 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "ok, well, since Ship PD SUCKS"
04:13:43 [PS]-mac-: "more or less, using AI to do what they weren't intended to do"
04:09:53 Smokey: "well having AI follow your ship is the only way right now you can get it to jump. otherwise it takes forever..."
04:10:00 [-GTN-]Space Affe: "why your just using the resources avaible to ur team"
04:10:20 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "i would like to make a point..."
04:10:25 Gideon: "Only problem I really see is using AI transports as bait for planetary defenses."
04:10:34 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Lith has the floor"
* [+M+]Tracker has entered the room...
04:11:08 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "on the EAD with is... what 8 or 9 CLs, from an incoming volley from a missle dread it will shoot down at MOST 5 missles"
* Crackhead306 whispered "can i ask you some thing real quick"
04:11:36 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "i think this is kinda... wrong"
* [PS]-mac- whispered "sure, go ahead"
04:12:05 [-GTN-]Space Affe: "hmmmm ill need some pres so i can test that theroy"
* Shigernafy smacks [-GTN-]Space Affe upside the head...
04:12:20 Smokey: "actually with the way the AI trans are.. if you have alot of trans around each other trying to do PD.. they might start attacking each other and then all your trans are killing each other...  )"
04:12:50 [-GTN-]Space Affe: "can i tell a story?"
04:13:01 Gideon: "OK, using AI transports as escorts? I don't really see anything wrong with this...."
04:17:10 [PS]-mac-: "Affe, shh"
04:13:07 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "my point is, with the new def bases PD, if there are 8 of them, they are gonna shoot down 1 missle each"
04:13:28 Smokey: "i think for the PD on ships if you have the lower beam weapons their range is so small that once it does come inrange it's almost ready to hit and it practiaclly does..."
04:13:32 Gideon: "@ Lith, maybe mroe, two beams per base."
* Crackhead306 whispered "so....."
* [-GTN-]Space Affe whispered "you have to buy my sclience"
04:13:47 Smokey: "for bigger ships like dreads..."
04:14:02 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: ".... this upsets me"
* [PS]-mac- whispered "Yes ... what do you need done?"
04:14:08 [-GTN-]Darq Duck: "well you guys are saying suggestions for the next version right?"
04:14:37 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "heck, if the game went slow enough i could manualy target each missle and destroy as many as i had CLs"
04:15:11 Shigernafy: "you just hafta enter bullet time..."
04:15:21 Smokey: "hehe"
* [-GTN-]Space Affe does the matrix thing
* Crackhead306 whispered "i dont see my clan on the list of clans do you have to do some thing with that or am i just in this clan that no can be in"
04:15:40 Gideon: "I dunno, if you are afraid of one or two missiles in an Elite Assult Dread, you should reconcider why you have it in combat to begin with..."
* [PS]-mac- whispered "Shh. Remain quiet in the meeting until I open the floor to general discussion, or I will have to ask you to leave ..."
* [PS]-mac- whispered "Which clan was it?"
04:16:40 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "LOL, mainly i bring this up cause cruise missles abundently strike me for some reason, and still a 8 IT missle volley takes out a side of heavy armor and takes down a some hull"
* Crackhead306 whispered "Legion Of Doom"
04:17:03 Gideon: "Hmmm."
04:17:41 Gideon: "As a small aside, there is a military quote that applies: "Be conspicuous, that's why aircraft carriers are called bomb magnets.""
* [PS]-mac- whispered "Which faction ... UGTO, ICC or Kluth?"
* Crackhead306 whispered "UGTO"
04:18:15 Gideon: "Seriously, however, are you having a problem with point defense just not working?"
* [PS]-mac- whispered "checking, 1 sec ..."
04:18:29 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "sometimes"
* Crackhead306 whispered "k"
04:19:03 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "the CL2k will hit, and maybe the CL1ks sometimes, CL550s NEVER shoot at a missle or something i dont tell them to"
* [PS]-mac- whispered "Clans need approval before the clan tag shows up by your name ... I approved it, so exiting and relogging will fix you up"
04:19:24 Smokey: "shorter ranges..."
* Crackhead306 whispered "thank you sooooooooo much "
04:19:45 Gideon: "I think that this might be hashed out better in the bugs forum? I have never had a problem with my point defense working, but then again I don't have an Elite Assualt Dreadnought."
04:19:55 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "its range may be short, but a DB will shoot at something 150gu from it"
* [PS]-mac- whispered ":)"
04:20:24 Gideon: "Maybe a lag issue. Beams are supposed to be part of the server, though."
04:20:27 Smokey: "DB?"
04:20:27 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "i think i will post it their, kinda go off topic, sorry all. yeah those AI trannies"
04:20:36 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "defense base"
04:20:41 Gideon: "Maybe a bug with the cl550's themselves?"
04:20:45 Smokey: "oh"
04:20:46 Gideon: "True."
* Shigernafy wakes up and wonders what`s happening...
04:21:48 Smokey: "okay.... so is that it?"
04:21:52 Gideon: "I need to be quiet more..."
* Shigernafy looks at everyones glazed over eyes and goes back to sleep...
04:22:05 Gideon: "LOL"
04:26:10 [PS]-mac-: "ok, so we'll take it to the bugs forum ... any other topics or comments before I officially close the meeting?"
04:22:08 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "i dont think the trannies are a problem, unless their are a group of them i wouldnt go out of my way to get them"
04:22:19 [-GTN-]Demorian: "no sir"
04:22:42 Gideon: "My only concern is players using transports as defense base bait. Havn't seen this yet."
04:22:47 Gideon: "Nothing from me."
04:23:02 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "1.4 is ther a progress report?"
04:23:24 Gideon: "Yeah, same point it was at last week..."
04:23:25 [PS]Selvarian: "Faustus is still squashing show-stopper bugs"
04:23:35 [PS]Selvarian: "..as if you all couldn't tell..."
04:23:38 [PS]Selvarian: ":O)"
* Shigernafy wakes with a start: this was a meeting? He thought it was just an informal discussion of the game...
04:23:44 [-GTN-]Space Affe: "show stopper?"
04:24:00 Gideon: "I presumed he was busy with some behind the scenes bug fixes."
* Shigernafy turns down the sarcast-o-meter...
* [PS]-mac- slaps Shigernafy in the head...
04:24:21 [PS]Selvarian: "He's still finishing up some of the economic system and he and nimby are working on some basic game balance issues."
* [-GTN-]Space Affe steals 3k from shig while he sleeps
04:24:42 Gideon: "@Affe, the crash inducing and unable to update thingies I would guess..."
* Shigernafy mumbles something about ripping... paper towels.... affe...
04:25:12 [PS]Selvarian: "It looks like either Thursday or Friday before a real candidate beta hits the beta servers."
* [-GTN-]Space Affe calls a vote
04:25:23 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "cool"
04:25:35 Gideon: "So, monday next week then."
04:25:43 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "hehe"
* Taelron thinks the mod meeting ended an hour ago, we just arent use taking less than 2 hours so everyone is just rambling to make up lost time
04:25:52 Gideon: "Sorry, been around too many software developers this week."
04:29:59 [PS]-mac-: "OK ... officially closing the meeting log"
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