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Moderator's meeting 002 |
Dwarden
Admiral
CHIMERA
Joined: June 07, 2001
Posts: 1072
From: Czech Republic
|  Posted: 2001-10-08 15:02
18:00:15 Selvarian: "Where'd sunshine go?"
18:01:04 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "."
18:01:02 [ C `] Dwarden: "no idea"
18:01:18 [eXS]Vampyer: "where is Faustus ?  "
18:01:21 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "no"
18:01:28 Selvarian: "I presume we haven't started yet?"
18:01:37 [eXS]Hydronix: "nope"
18:01:38 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "*putputputput to Faustus*  )"
[PS]sunshine has entered the room...([PS]sunshine)
18:01:44 [PS]sunshine: "argh"
18:01:47 [MoA]FrankySZ: "waiting for the chiefs "
[MoA]Soul132 begrüßt [PS]sunshine([MoA]Soul132)
18:01:55 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "hi sun"
18:01:55 [MoA]Bumblebee: "lol"
18:02:00 [PS]sunshine: "t-online is bugging me again  "
18:02:08 Chromix_: "eindeutige MoA dominanz hier "
18:02:08 [MoA]FrankySZ: "re sun"
18:02:12 [eXS]Hydronix: "hehehe"
18:02:20 [MoA]FrankySZ: "hi Chromix"
18:02:22 Selvarian: "Smokey's prolly out stone cold. He said he would try to make it though. I told him to give me his telephone # and I would roust him. He thought I was kidding."
18:02:22 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "Und ICQ funzt net"
[MoA]Bumblebee grüsst [eXS]Vampyer ganz herzlich([MoA]Bumblebee)
[MoA]Bumblebee grüsst Chromix_ ganz herzlich([MoA]Bumblebee)
18:02:48 [MoA]Bumblebee: "a special one to "our" BIG F"
18:03:08 [PS]Faustus: "Howdy.... wife has a doctor appointment ay 2:15, so I'll have to leave at 2"
18:03:10 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "Standing ovation to F "
18:03:15 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "Hi Faustus"
18:03:25 [MoA]FrankySZ: "Hi Faustus"
18:03:33 [eXS]Hydronix: "oh"
18:03:39 [MoA]Gatos: "hi faustus"
18:03:40 [PS]Faustus: "Howdy all..."
18:03:44 [eXS]Hydronix: "hope nothing bad"
18:03:47 Selvarian: "..announcing our Master of Ceremonies today.....FAUSTUS!"
18:03:49 [eXS]Vampyer: "hi Faustus"
[MoA]Soul132 begrüßt [PS]Faustus([MoA]Soul132)
18:03:53 [PS]Faustus: "hehe... "
18:04:05 [PS]Faustus: "Anyway, sunshine do you have an issues anyone has mailed you?"
18:04:16 [PS]sunshine: "oh"
18:04:18 [PS]sunshine: "was afk"
18:04:20 [PS]sunshine: "sorry"
18:04:34 [PS]Faustus: "NP..."
18:04:34 [PS]sunshine: "recieved no mails .."
18:04:42 Selvarian: "Wow."
Gladi has entered the room...(Gladi)
18:04:46 [PS]sunshine: "but have some points i wanna discuss "
18:04:54 Gladi: "hi"
18:04:57 [PS]Faustus: "K.... floor to sunshine.."
[MoA]Bumblebee is greeting Gladi([MoA]Bumblebee)
18:05:18 ThreeJay: "disconnected again  "
18:05:33 [MoA]Bumblebee: "t-online?"
18:05:47 [MoA]Bumblebee: "or better off-line"
18:05:54 ThreeJay: "offline.. yes"
18:05:56 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "its better, bumble "
18:06:00 [PS]sunshine: "rules for kick / ban ... first warn them, if you ban a player please mail me, so i know what happened when anybody is asking me"
18:06:12 [PS]sunshine: "yes .. hope i won't get kicked the whole evening .. "
18:06:33 [MoA]Bumblebee: "normaly i do only PUSH"
18:06:43 Selvarian: "Yes, also a little more tolerance and understanding may be in order."
18:06:55 [PS]Faustus: "yes, push and kick are better, ban shoud be reserved for the worse cases..."
18:07:05 [eXS]Hydronix: "i kicked Mao. but you know why. "
18:07:06 [PS]Faustus: "very worse cases..."
18:07:10 Chromix_: "I hope muting will be implemented soon, so one can stop flooders without needing to kick them..."
18:07:10 [PS]sunshine: "on servers you should use push first .. "
18:07:18 Selvarian: "Not talking about obvious abusers, but just the initial "I'm gonna kick you for that reaction""
18:07:23 [PS]Faustus: "Yeah, I saw mao stats, he's attacking his own team..."
18:07:43 DoomDragon: "i never had a case where i had to kick, talking is much better and after push all problems are solved, atleast in my cases"
18:07:43 [MoA]Gatos: "yep"
18:07:46 [PS]Faustus: "K.... I work on ignore and mute today.."
18:07:52 [MoA]Bumblebee: "very bad mannor"
18:07:55 [eXS]Hydronix: "and he didn't stopped after warning him more times"
18:07:59 [MoA]Gatos: "he mad in 1/2 hour about 30sd"
18:08:31 [PS]sunshine: "yes .. so for this cases kick the player .. if he comes back and continues kick him .."
18:08:31 Selvarian: "I had someone show up with the handle 8=====0 yesterday. Was trying to be cute. I just politely told him to change his name as it would get him in trouble because of naming policies."
18:09:02 Chromix_: ";-)"
18:09:31 [PS]Faustus: "@selvarian... good"
18:09:44 Selvarian: "He understood and immediately changed it. Very cooperative user. Most people don't intend to offend; they're just ignorant of the rules."
18:09:50 [eXS]Hydronix: ". ?"
18:09:50 [PS]sunshine: "another point .. language in the chat"
18:09:50 Gladi: "hm where is .?"
18:09:55 ThreeJay: "@. : Who are you?"
18:09:56 [eXS]Hydronix: "why is . ?"
18:09:57 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "Where is the point?"
18:09:57 [PS]sunshine: "lol, who's ".""
18:10:00 [eXS]Hydronix: "i mean who"
18:10:03 Chromix_: ""The .dot-Mod""
18:10:10 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "err"
18:10:12 Chromix_: "just abusing naming conventions =)"
18:10:12 [MoA]Bumblebee: "english - for shure"
18:10:17 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "how to handle the following: a enemy engi is orbiting a planet a a teammate bomber stays 20 gu beside him and wait for the buildings to bomb them - both member of the same clan ?"
18:10:20 [PS]Faustus: "it's chromix"
18:10:22 Chromix_: "(Chromix)"
18:10:41 ThreeJay: "aha"
18:10:46 [PS]Faustus: "Chromix... change name back, thanks... "
18:10:58 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "It's look better"
18:11:01 ThreeJay: "Spirit: Push..."
18:11:25 Selvarian: "Interesting, how'd that happen?"
18:11:29 [PS]Faustus: "@spriit... how is this an exploit?"
18:11:31 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "Yes, push"
18:11:41 Gladi: "and when on ahza and junction 8 depots on icc other ugto? and clan fights agains"
18:11:43 [ C `] Dwarden: "Faustu, Sun others...."
18:11:48 [ C `] Dwarden: "can i say something?"
18:11:55 ThreeJay: "well, a teammate bomber?"
18:12:00 Gladi: "i have that sunday hyd was with me"
18:12:03 ThreeJay: "it should be an enemy bomber..."
18:12:09 [MoA]Bumblebee: "i wold push them after 3 warnings"
18:12:15 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "they are on opposite teams and use this to get fast building and bomber points"
18:12:18 DoomDragon: "old exploits i already mentioned weeks ago"
18:12:27 [PS]Faustus: "ah... so one is building, another is bombing them for Planets Damage?"
18:12:36 ThreeJay: "yes..."
18:12:36 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "right"
18:12:37 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "yes"
18:12:40 [PS]Faustus: "both on opposing teams?"
18:12:41 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "i know its old"
18:12:42 Selvarian: "need to stay on-topic until the moderator yields. Chat gets too confusing with multiple issues being discussed"
18:12:45 DoomDragon: "yes"
18:12:46 [eXS]Vampyer: "yes"
18:12:46 [ C `] Dwarden: "?"
18:12:50 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "just see it again last night"
18:12:52 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "but in the same clan"
18:12:49 [ C `] Dwarden: "Can i speak?"
18:12:55 DoomDragon: "you can even be on the same team"
18:12:56 ThreeJay: "yes, and a support on the bomber team then it's perfect!"
18:12:57 [PS]Faustus: "@selv.. agreed"
18:13:10 Gladi: "right 3j"
"." has been kicked...([PS]Faustus)
18:13:28 [PS]sunshine: "same with permanently supply when fired one missile or gun .. "
18:13:42 [eXS]Hydronix: "ui"
18:13:45 [MoA]Gatos: "like the 2 yesterday"
18:13:57 [ C `] Dwarden: ".....SO i say my own opinion Most of problems we have is due to missing Rules Of Conduct for users"
18:14:05 Selvarian: "Issue at hand: 1) kick/ban rules and 2) certain same-team "exploits"."
18:14:22 Gladi: "but what is when suppy ship and bomber jumps in enemy sys and bombs there its not wrong or?"
18:14:22 [ C `] Dwarden: "w/o these rules many of users which want confuse and provocate is hard to fight against ..."
18:14:27 [eXS]Hydronix: "but what about the 2 teams which are makind sd?"
18:14:27 Selvarian: "Issue 3) Incomplete RoC"
18:14:36 [PS]sunshine: "exploits and kick are linked ... "
18:14:39 [PS]sunshine: "have some more points"
18:14:39 [PS]Faustus: "Firstly, I think i establed some rules in the news post concerning moderators amok yesterday... "
18:14:48 [PS]sunshine: "but let's first finish this 3 "
18:14:50 ThreeJay: "i don't think RoC makes the community inviting..."
18:14:55 [PS]sunshine: "yes"
18:14:56 [eXS]Hydronix: "what amok?"
18:15:09 [PS]Faustus: "amok = crazy"
18:15:16 [MoA]Bumblebee: "please dont get confused"
18:15:16 ThreeJay: "@F: You make me feel really bad..."
18:15:20 [eXS]Hydronix: "yes. but yesterday?"
18:15:21 [PS]sunshine: "a mod kicked a player cause he did't build how the mod him explained"
18:15:25 [PS]Faustus: "amok = running around doing crazy things"
18:15:25 [MoA]Bumblebee: "stay an themes please"
18:15:31 [eXS]Hydronix: "didnt saw something"
[GER]Samweis has entered the room...([GER]Samweis)
18:15:37 [GER]Samweis: "hi"
18:15:47 [eXS]Hydronix: "hi sam"
18:15:48 [eXS]Geo: "Hi all"
18:15:56 [PS]Faustus: "K... quite, let sunshine talk"
18:15:57 [MoA]Bumblebee: "hokka sam"
18:15:59 [eXS]Vampyer: "hi Geo"
18:15:59 [PS]sunshine: "hi"
18:16:01 [eXS]Hydronix: "hi geo"
18:16:02 [MoA]Bumblebee: "hokka geo"
18:16:03 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "Hi Geo and Sam"
[MoA]Soul132 begrüßt [eXS]Geo([MoA]Soul132)
18:16:08 Selvarian: "3J -> I don't agree. Almost every "society" has established RoCs. It's part and parcel to give people the law so they a) know where the boundaries of behaviour are, and 2) can't say "I didn't know that" when challenged."
18:16:10 ThreeJay: "psst"
18:16:17 ThreeJay: "let sunshine talk please.."
D3VaST8D has entered the room...(D3VaST8D)
18:17:00 ThreeJay: "Selverian: What about thinking a bit...maybe intelligence isn't a too high requirement to players..."
18:17:10 [PS]sunshine: "me ? only told hydro what happened on the amok"
18:17:37 [PS]sunshine: "but some rules are needed .. "
18:17:41 [MoA]Bumblebee: "ok - your points - sun"
18:17:45 [eXS]Hydronix: "?"
18:17:58 Selvarian: "Thinking is encouraged. However, people have different assumptions about conduct in virtual communities."
18:18:15 [PS]Faustus: "K... dwarden has written up a ROC, it reads more like an EULA, but I could re-edit it so we could have a offical rules of conduct on the web.."
18:18:26 [ C `] Dwarden: "I never saw Online Game w/o Rules Of Conduct for users !"
18:18:36 ThreeJay: "and i could translate "
18:18:36 [PS]Faustus: "that will be a high priority for me today, including the ignore and mute commands.."
18:18:49 [ C `] Dwarden: "YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH "
18:18:51 [PS]sunshine: "and away "
18:18:59 Selvarian: "In some places, certain conduct is actually conducive to participation (like flamewars), in other places, it is verboten."
18:18:55 [ C `] Dwarden: "Ship roster done ....."
18:18:58 [ C `] Dwarden: "102 ships"
18:19:10 [ C `] Dwarden: "24 main class, 46 subclass"
18:19:16 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "yes would welcome RoC, so u can say: according to RoC art. 4 i push/ kick u now."
18:19:23 DoomDragon: "You won't prevent using exploits by kicking the ppl. They just will play on small 8 ppl servers with their whole clan and you won't have the chance to even know about it. The system must be changed in a way that these exploits are impossible to do."
18:19:48 [ C `] Dwarden: "DoomDragon !"
18:19:48 Selvarian: "Faustus, I am going to go over Dwar's RoC as well and make some suggestions. I've written a few for LARPs over the years. I think I have perfected some of the language."
18:19:55 [PS]Faustus: "@DoomDragon... don't worry, because when we release, you will only be able to gain prestige on Palestar offical or trusted servers.."
18:19:56 [GER]Samweis: "@dd: but if only trusted servers can give u points then it would be solved "
18:20:00 [ C `] Dwarden: "In final release will be NO clan Prestige server !"
18:20:14 [PS]Faustus: "@selvar... great, please do cause my time is limited..."
18:20:14 [PS]sunshine: "the exploint on small servers will be solved after release .. "
18:20:23 [PS]sunshine: "ah .. faust was faster hehe"
18:21:01 Gladi: "my quest do you need a pay account to make trusted server?"
18:21:00 DoomDragon: "There will be always times and places where you even do it on trusted servers without anyone noticing it....trust me."
18:21:01 Gladi: "my quest do you need a pay account to make trusted server?"
18:21:08 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "so with the release is coming a new reset which i would welcome"
18:21:15 DoomDragon: "i know all the tricks"
18:21:16 Selvarian: "I'll get it done as quickly as I can. YOu can always update them if necessary. I doubt I will change the intent that is conveyed, just the form."
18:21:41 ThreeJay: "Faustus another point: What's about the Shipguide script??"
18:21:46 [PS]sunshine: "any additions to the previous points ?"
18:21:50 [PS]Faustus: "@gladi... no"
18:22:21 [eXS]Hydronix: "no"
18:22:35 [PS]Faustus: "@gladi... trusted servers will only be run by people who have proven then can be trusted to run a secure server... not sure how to do that just yet, but we'll figure it out."
18:23:06 [PS]sunshine: "k, next point: our behaviour *g"
18:23:14 [MoA]Bumblebee: "so they are run by us )))))))"
18:23:15 Gladi: "ah mods e.g?"
18:23:29 DoomDragon: "i still suggest in slowly removing all possible exploits"
18:23:51 [PS]Faustus: "@DD... agreed, I will always strive to remove every exploit if possible"
18:23:52 Selvarian: "1) Kick/Ban rules issue closed? 2) Exploits issues closed? 3) Rules of Conduct issue closed?"
18:23:58 Chromix_: "...doh..."
18:24:18 DoomDragon: "ok faustus, lets talk after this meeting about the solution "
18:24:29 [PS]Faustus: "K"
18:24:31 Selvarian: "4) Shipguide script. 5) Mod behaviour."
18:24:37 [PS]Faustus: "next point, moderator behavior..."
18:24:46 [PS]Faustus: "K... shipguide"
18:24:46 [PS]Faustus: "K... shipguide"
18:24:56 [PS]sunshine: "shipguide is a special point for faust and threejay "
18:25:00 Gladi: "shipguide?"
18:25:19 Selvarian: "OK. 4) Closed?"
18:25:23 ThreeJay: "as promised i would do it..."
18:25:30 ThreeJay: "if you don't finde the time!"
18:25:31 [PS]Faustus: "Yeah, I have no ideal how to do it easily right now, because it would require me to move this information from the game into the database somehow... "
18:25:34 ThreeJay: "-e"
18:25:42 [PS]Faustus: "so let's deal with this later.."
18:25:49 DoomDragon: "Doesn't the shipguide becomes absolute once we can change the weapon layout by ourselfs?"
18:25:50 Selvarian: "What is it, anyway?"
18:26:09 ThreeJay: "don't move it, just make the game to write the info into a database, don't read out of it..."
18:26:17 Gladi: "what is with shipvuilder/mapbuilder? or logos?"
18:26:28 [PS]Faustus: "@DD... exactly"
18:26:39 [PS]Faustus: "Next point... mod behavior"
18:26:41 [MoA]Bumblebee: "that is not the point in the moment @gladi"
18:26:49 Gladi: "okey sorry"
18:26:52 [PS]sunshine: "quarrelling shouldn't be done in public .. "
18:27:09 ThreeJay: "one suggestion:"
18:27:25 [PS]Faustus: "quick, poll, I'm dropping the requirements for the UGTO ST-8 harrier to ensign, no badges, to try to balance the game for the lower ranks... quick vote, yes or no"
18:27:34 ThreeJay: "everybody does mistakes, but if you do one, say sorry to the user you handled wrong!"
18:27:39 Selvarian: "Yeah, I am guilty of a bit of that with captnsmooth yesterday."
18:27:41 ThreeJay: "yes"
18:27:43 [MoA]Bumblebee: "yes"
18:27:44 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "yes"
18:27:46 [GER]Samweis: "yes"
18:27:48 [eXS]Hydronix: "yes"
18:27:51 [eXS]Vampyer: "yes"
18:27:52 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "yes"
18:27:54 [eXS]Geo: "yes"
18:27:59 [GER]Samweis: ":-)"
18:28:00 [PS]sunshine: "yes"
18:28:00 Selvarian: "Is it balanced?"
18:28:01 [MoA]FrankySZ: "yes"
18:28:02 [MoA]Soul132: "yes"
18:28:02 [MoA]Gatos: "yes"
18:28:06 [PS]sunshine: "hehe"
18:28:07 D3VaST8D: "yes"
18:28:23 [PS]Faustus: "Yes's have it.... additionally, I've droped the requirments for the St-5 bomber for the UGTO as well, no question abou this one..."
18:28:41 [PS]sunshine: "selvarian, wrong answer "
18:29:01 [PS]Faustus: "K... back to mod behavior... everyone clear, certain behavior can lose you moderator rights..."
18:29:07 Selvarian: "Well, that is actually a *small* pet peeve of mine about the game. I'll save it for a later point, though."
18:29:08 [PS]Faustus: "?"
18:29:12 ThreeJay: "everybody does mistakes, but if you do one, say sorry to the user you handled wrong!"
18:29:16 [GER]Samweis: "yes"
18:29:28 Gladi: "what means behavior? my english is bad"
18:29:29 [eXS]Geo: "@Faustus: don't you think Silver Combat is too importat now?"
18:29:38 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "k understood"
18:29:38 ThreeJay: "benehmen Gladi"
18:29:40 [PS]sunshine: "verhalten"
18:29:43 [PS]Faustus: "later @geo..."
18:29:45 Gladi: "axo"
18:29:47 [eXS]Vampyer: "Verhalten"
18:29:57 [eXS]Geo: "k"
18:30:01 Selvarian: "I think one major issue about our behavior towards one another as moderators is to understand one VERY important point:"
18:30:10 [MoA]Bumblebee: "thats clear faustus"
18:30:31 [PS]Faustus: ":)"
18:30:42 Selvarian: "SOme of us have different native languages and can get our words REALLY twisted in times of urgency or other high emotional states."
18:31:12 [GER]Samweis: "thats really true "
18:31:22 [eXS]Hydronix: "and i hope all mods know, that we are not better then the other players"
18:31:25 Selvarian: "If you feel like you are being attacked, keep communicating with the person. Try to get them to explin themselves."
18:31:34 ThreeJay: "yeah, lingual problems are really worse.."
18:31:40 [PS]Faustus: "@selv is right, sometimes I see german mods get onto english players, simply because they think something was profanity, when it's not in english...."
18:31:41 [GER]Samweis: "yes @hydronix"
18:31:57 Selvarian: "As Dwarden can attest, this can get quite out of hand."
18:32:01 [PS]sunshine: "yes ... first talk to them .."
18:32:08 [PS]Faustus: ":)"
18:32:12 [PS]sunshine: "ah .. wanted to check what "scum" means "
18:32:18 [MoA]Bumblebee: "we are all adult (hopefully) and can communicate"
18:32:25 DoomDragon: "well, translated into german it is a profanity....but i learned to live with it many onlines game ago "
18:32:33 [GER]Samweis: "i'm an adult "
18:32:45 [MoA]Gatos: "me too )"
18:32:48 [PS]Faustus: "Yes, german mods, if you have a question concerning the meaning of a word, then ask an english player or mod..."
18:32:55 [GER]Samweis: "ok"
18:32:59 [eXS]Hydronix: "ok"
18:33:02 Gladi: "rgr"
18:33:04 Gladi: "okey"
18:33:05 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "k"
18:33:09 [MoA]Gatos: "k"
[ C `] Dwarden nods at Selvarian...([ C `] Dwarden)
18:33:14 [MoA]Bumblebee: "and dont over-react"
18:33:16 DoomDragon: "How about a quick list? "
18:33:18 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "ok"
18:33:24 [eXS]Hydronix: "and i hope all mods know, that we are not better then the other players"
18:33:26 [PS]sunshine: "yes .. i guess most germans know michael mittermeier"
18:33:27 Selvarian: "Well, it is easy to misunderstand and get all bent out of shape over it."
18:33:31 [ C `] Dwarden: "DD quick list for thousands words?"
18:33:36 [PS]Faustus: "Yeah, i said "prepare to die UGTO scum" one time, and I think a german mod thought I was using profanity... "
18:33:37 [PS]sunshine: "he"
18:33:39 [eXS]Hydronix: "cant say it often enough"
18:33:45 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "no, sun"
18:33:49 [MoA]Bumblebee: "lol"
18:33:56 [MoA]Bumblebee: "@ faustus"
18:34:05 [PS]Faustus: "used in that context, scum is actually humourous.... "
18:34:05 [MoA]Gatos: ":))"
18:34:13 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "we know the word rebel scum from Lord vader very well "
18:34:13 [PS]sunshine: "'s one scatch : hey you f***ing salesman , give me that f***ing milk out of the f***ing icebox ... "
18:34:16 [MoA]Bumblebee: "i know ))))))))"
18:34:20 Chromix_: "good old "monkey island" talk =)"
18:34:23 [PS]sunshine: "yes .. checked this word faustus "
18:34:36 [MoA]Soul132: "lol @sun"
18:34:36 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "Its SCUMM, Chromix"
18:34:44 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "2 "M""
18:34:45 [MoA]Bumblebee: "rofl @sun"
18:34:46 ThreeJay: "i think sometimes when a mod is in a bad mood he misunderstands often what user's say..."
18:34:50 [PS]Faustus: "@spriit... excactly, in star wars they say "Rebel Scum"... "
18:34:51 [PS]sunshine: "mittermeier is great "
18:34:53 [eXS]Hydronix: "ona question. what is about the word sh*t?"
18:35:09 [PS]sunshine: "hehe"
18:35:12 Selvarian: "That's another point regarding chat behaviour with users. With the swear-word filter in place, do we need to be warning and kicking users for language?"
18:35:16 [MoA]Bumblebee: "no problem with *"
18:35:21 [PS]Faustus: "s***, not such a good word, but about a 5 on the profanity scale..."
18:35:23 [ C `] Dwarden: "i take standalone s**t or small amount as acceptable"
18:35:25 [MoA]Bumblebee: "without ist a bit rough"
18:35:27 [PS]Faustus: "from 1 to 10"
18:35:35 [PS]Faustus: "motherf***er = 9"
18:35:40 [eXS]Hydronix: "could it be used?"
18:35:41 Gladi: "and what about word filter for german?"
18:35:42 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "arks"
18:35:44 Selvarian: "What's a 10?"
18:35:47 [eXS]Hydronix: "or better damn"
18:35:59 [ C `] Dwarden: "damn is for me st like hell again"
18:36:05 [PS]Faustus: "@gladi... I've asked for german cuss words, anyone want to email them to me, I'll add them to the filter.."
18:36:09 [MoA]Gatos: "10 is banned )"
18:36:09 [PS]Faustus: "damn = 2"
18:36:14 [PS]Faustus: "hell = 2"
18:36:15 [MoA]Bumblebee: "but best is do speak without all this words"
18:36:17 [ C `] Dwarden: "oki whats 10 ?'"
18:36:18 [PS]sunshine: "already got a list with some english ones"
18:36:23 DoomDragon: "Ignoring those guys is usually the best way beside blasting them to peaces."
18:36:27 [PS]sunshine: "i'll send you this list with some germans 2morrow"
18:36:29 [PS]Faustus: "hell = 1"
18:36:31 DoomDragon: "eh pieces"
18:36:31 [MoA]Bumblebee: "our language is good enough without "
18:36:35 [eXS]Hydronix: "i mean u need some words ingame"
18:36:31 [ C `] Dwarden: "hell"
18:36:34 [ C `] Dwarden: "hell = 0"
18:36:40 [PS]Faustus: "green mother f***ing c*** licker = 10"
18:36:38 [ C `] Dwarden: "neutral word"
18:36:48 [GER]Samweis: "sunshine knows all the bad words "
18:36:49 Selvarian: "Yeah, I guess a swear word filter for each language in the appropriate chatroom would work."
18:36:49 [eXS]Hydronix: "hehehe"
18:36:49 ThreeJay: "i don't think damn and hell should be on the profanity language"
18:36:50 [eXS]Geo: "@Doom: no, because little kids maybe read it"
18:36:55 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "Ouch"
18:36:59 Selvarian: "OH, it's a phrase rating, too "
18:37:07 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "learning interesting engl. words part 2: "
18:37:10 ThreeJay: "i think just words insulting other players should be on the list..."
18:37:21 DoomDragon: "you have to be adult to play this game"
18:37:22 Selvarian: "Repeating question -> That's another point regarding chat behaviour with users. With the swear-word filter in place, do we need to be warning and kicking users for language"
18:37:24 [GER]Samweis: "hehe"
18:37:27 [PS]sunshine: "lol @spirit"
18:37:39 Selvarian: "?"
18:37:45 ThreeJay: "if i say s**t i am not attacking another user, but if you say "you're a motherf***er" i am attacking another one"
18:37:49 DoomDragon: "and they will learn much worse words in school or even tv"
18:37:49 [eXS]Geo: "@Doom: no"
18:37:56 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "No Doom"
18:37:59 Gladi: "i go and getr something to drink afk"
18:38:03 ThreeJay: "i see a big difference in this..."
18:38:09 [PS]Faustus: "@selvarian... in-game there is no filter, in the lobby yes..."
18:38:11 [GER]Samweis: "cya gladi"
18:38:16 [MoA]Bumblebee: "but they DONT need to learn them here"
18:38:24 [PS]Faustus: "I think it's worse when the language is directed at another player..."
18:38:25 [eXS]Geo: "@Doom: but it shouldn't be the reason to say it's okay if people say it in game"
18:38:29 [eXS]Hydronix: "bye gladi"
18:38:31 [PS]Faustus: "like 3j says..."
18:38:33 [ C `] Dwarden: "RoC : You will not use GCQL's and DarkSpace's communication features to confuse other users with repeating text or flood with unrelevant text."
18:38:44 [PS]sunshine: "and not all players are adult .."
18:38:54 Selvarian: "OK. So unless someone is spamming swear words in an attempt to belittle a user (or berate them), the lobby is fair game?"
18:39:07 DoomDragon: "I don't said its ok but as long its not so worse i see no real problem"
18:39:13 [eXS]Hydronix: "brb"
18:39:15 Selvarian: "(I just want to make sure I am doing my job right)"
18:39:15 [MoA]Bumblebee: "no not all are adult"
18:39:25 [PS]Faustus: "@selvarian... yeah, I wouldn't be so harsh in the lobby, since there is a filter..."
18:39:27 DoomDragon: "I often had ppl bitching about me after some kills, thats normal"
18:39:37 ThreeJay: "s***"
18:39:37 [MoA]Bumblebee: "but we do not need to teach them in using profanies"
18:39:42 ThreeJay: "wheres the filter?"
18:39:47 ThreeJay: "motherf***er"
18:39:54 [PS]Faustus: "@selv... but when used in an attack against another player, then someone needs to be warned then kicked..."
18:39:54 Selvarian: "OK. In game, though, pop them for anything worse than "damn"?"
18:39:54 ThreeJay: "(just looking for the filter)"
18:39:56 [PS]sunshine: "you see the original teyt"
18:39:59 [ C `] Dwarden: "ThreeJay filter works only for us not for author"
18:40:01 [GER]Samweis: "lol @3j"
18:40:02 [MoA]Bumblebee: "stop it 3J"
18:40:08 [PS]sunshine: "we see 18:39:47 ThreeJay: "motherf***er""
18:40:09 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "u see the word complete we not"
18:40:13 Selvarian: "Your words to you are unmodified."
18:40:22 Selvarian: "S*** f*** c***.. see?"
18:40:20 [PS]Faustus: "@3j... the filter works for us, not you..."
18:40:19 ThreeJay: "aaaaaah"
18:40:22 Selvarian: "S*** f*** c***.. see?"
18:40:30 ThreeJay: "sorry..."
18:40:32 Chromix_: "?"
18:40:37 [MoA]Bumblebee: "enough"
18:40:38 ThreeJay: "just wanted to test"
18:40:38 Chromix_: "I see just some stars ?"
18:40:44 [ C `] Dwarden: "lol"
18:40:52 Chromix_: "hmm someone said mods see this text uncensored ?"
18:40:52 [PS]sunshine: "what's the word with c ?"
18:40:54 [PS]Faustus: "f*** off threejay "
18:40:59 [MoA]Bumblebee: "please"
18:40:57 [ C `] Dwarden: "i think we MISSING why WE ARE here ?"
18:41:02 [PS]sunshine: "hmm .. maybe i don't wanna know hehe"
18:41:02 [GER]Samweis: "write it with spaces selvarian "
18:41:05 ThreeJay: "lo"
18:41:05 [PS]sunshine: "lol"
18:41:05 [PS]Faustus: "C U N T"
18:41:09 DoomDragon: "Normally you have to been an adult to access online games, its the same like XXX sites.... you need to be 18 or 21 and when you use the card from your father its not the fault of the owner of the site"
18:41:11 ThreeJay: "ok: another point"
18:41:10 [ C `] Dwarden: "let's back to discussion"
18:41:20 Selvarian: "Nah."
18:41:35 [PS]sunshine: "oh hehe"
18:41:35 [ C `] Dwarden: "RoC : ACCEPTING THIS AGREEMENT, YOU ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE AT LEAST 18 YEARS OLD."
18:41:39 ThreeJay: "if a player who is young, and don't know these words read just stars i don't see a problem..."
18:41:44 [PS]sunshine: "*peeep* badword "
18:41:45 [ C `] Dwarden: "RoC : IF YOU ARE BETWEEN THE AGES OF 13 - 18 YEAR, YOU MUST OBTAIN PERMISSION FROM A PARENT OR GUARDIAN BEFORE ACCEPTING THIS AGREEMENT."
18:41:48 [eXS]Hydronix: "oha"
18:41:51 ThreeJay: "Nope"
18:41:54 [eXS]Geo: "@Doom: but kredit card won'T be the only pay method"
18:41:55 [PS]Faustus: "@dwarden... that's not going to work"
18:41:56 [eXS]Hydronix: "i warn faustus "
18:42:11 Selvarian: "OK. Current topic: Mod Behaviour. Any other points?"
18:42:14 ThreeJay: "Dwarden: Thats a point for the EULA, not the RoC"
18:42:15 [eXS]Vampyer: "thats not a good idea Dwarden"
18:42:16 DoomDragon: "well, there you have to accept the rules "
18:42:41 [ C `] Dwarden: "Vampyer that Rules are combined from 8 Game Companies Running Online games for months / years"
18:42:47 [MoA]Bumblebee: "mod do not cheat"
18:42:53 Selvarian: "Yes. RoCs are guidelines, generally. They don't need contract-speak."
18:43:02 [ C `] Dwarden: "Rules = Laws"
18:43:17 [PS]Faustus: "Another point is the FAQ...."
18:43:19 Selvarian: "Not necessarily."
18:43:21 DoomDragon: "you can be 100% that when someone sees *** he will ask what the word means....200% sure"
18:43:33 [eXS]Geo: "What about the election of new mods?"
18:43:39 ThreeJay: "Oh, yes the FAQ *becomes angry*"
18:43:46 ThreeJay: "Ok first of all:"
18:43:53 [eXS]Vampyer: ":)"
18:43:53 [eXS]Hydronix: "what about finding mods cheaing?"
18:43:53 [ C `] Dwarden: "i have problem with FAQ/Knowledge Base font SIZE !"
18:44:05 [eXS]Hydronix: "grr...my keyboard"
18:44:03 [ C `] Dwarden: "i canNOT read them its small"
18:44:06 ThreeJay: "I asked 4 times in Chat that the mods should help me translating the FAQ"
18:44:11 ThreeJay: "i posted in Dev Forum"
18:44:12 Chromix_: "faq seemed to be slightly in "desync" state when I last looked at it"
18:44:14 Gladi: "back again"
18:44:14 [PS]Faustus: "I noticed someone added an entry, and used "u" instead of spelling the word "you".... I would like for us to write up answers without slang and those types of bad english..."
18:44:19 ThreeJay: "NOTHING happened!"
18:44:23 [PS]sunshine: "that's anothe rpoint on my list @geo"
18:44:30 [ C `] Dwarden: "All FAQs from me are correct"
18:44:35 [ C `] Dwarden: "i fixed each 4 times"
18:44:37 Selvarian: "OK. We're spreading thin on the topics. Don't worry, I am keeping a running list."
18:44:40 ThreeJay: "I am really disappointed about this..."
18:44:40 [GER]Samweis: "ok"
18:45:04 Selvarian: "Faustus -> Agreed. Can any mod edit any FAQ entry?"
18:45:09 [MoA]Bumblebee: "agree @fautus"
18:45:12 [eXS]Hydronix: "what about finding mods cheating?"
18:45:13 [PS]Faustus: "@selv... yes"
18:45:14 ThreeJay: "Why didn't anybody of the german mods helped with the FAQ?"
18:45:18 DoomDragon: "Do we have to post also an answer too when we post a question in the faq?"
18:45:30 [eXS]Hydronix: "i can help"
18:45:30 Gladi: "3j my english is bad"
18:45:34 [PS]Faustus: "@DD... yes"
18:45:36 [ C `] Dwarden: "Faustus what about MAde for FAQs same Rules as FOR news"
18:45:37 Selvarian: "DD -> Yeah, I think you should."
18:45:41 [eXS]Geo: "not anyone has got the time...and is in the mood to do so"
18:45:43 [ C `] Dwarden: "Author NAme is visible"
18:45:48 [PS]Faustus: "@gladi... yes "
18:45:49 Gladi: "but when back from USA in 2 years i can help you"
18:45:52 Selvarian: "Kinda defeats the purpose of a FAQ without the answers"
18:45:59 DoomDragon: "and what when you have a question but no answer?"
18:45:55 [ C `] Dwarden: "And only author or Admin can erase or edit that FAQ"
18:46:05 ThreeJay: "but why isn't ANYBODY in the mood to do so?"
18:46:15 [eXS]Hydronix: "3j?"
18:46:16 ThreeJay: "i recognized ONE new entry.."
18:46:17 [PS]sunshine: "then you should ask another mod to add the answer"
18:46:22 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "@Gladi: good "
18:46:23 [ C `] Dwarden: "actually you can REMOVE FAQ from someone w/o problem"
18:46:25 [GER]Samweis: "@dd: use the forum "
18:46:32 [eXS]Geo: "@Threejay: Work and private life ... etc etc ..."
18:46:36 [ C `] Dwarden: "so example Selvarian made long FAQ for which he need 30 minutes of work"
18:46:40 DoomDragon: "well, it seems that this answer is well keeped secretr"
18:46:44 [ C `] Dwarden: "and someone ERASE that faq in second"
18:46:51 [eXS]Hydronix: "hello?"
18:47:13 ThreeJay: "yes, Hyd?"
18:47:17 [GER]Samweis: "yes hydro?"
18:47:23 [eXS]Hydronix: "good."
18:47:27 [MoA]Bumblebee: "im listening"
18:47:27 Selvarian: "Well, I wouldn't lose it. I usually create it offline and save it before I enter it."
18:47:30 [GER]Samweis: ":)"
18:47:31 [eXS]Hydronix: "3j: i said i can help"
18:47:45 [eXS]Hydronix: "and a question. what is, if i find a mod cheating?"
18:47:49 ThreeJay: "I would be pleased if you help"
18:47:55 [PS]Faustus: "Yes, best to create your faq in word, so you can spell check it, etc... before you post it."
18:47:56 ThreeJay: "Hyd: tell sunshine"
18:47:58 [GER]Samweis: "oh, i thought u speak abotu sth important hydro "
18:48:12 [eXS]Hydronix: "sun: i can help. "
18:48:20 DoomDragon: "no english grammatic "
18:48:21 Selvarian: "For example, I saved all of the posts that I am now going to post in the mod forum since I have access now (yay!)"
18:48:22 [MoA]Bumblebee: "yes - tell it to sun"
18:48:34 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "oh, hydronix has told about very important issue"
18:48:46 [PS]sunshine: "report him to me hydro"
18:48:50 [eXS]Hydronix: "yes. but nobody answers"
18:48:56 [eXS]Hydronix: "ah."
18:48:59 [eXS]Hydronix: ":)"
18:49:10 [PS]Faustus: "If you find another mod cheating, this would be a violation of the moderator rules of conduct, I think you need to let me or sunshine know.."
18:49:12 [eXS]Hydronix: "yes. but i can only tell it. but he can say no"
18:49:18 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "and talk to mod maybe he is just testing whether certain exploits still ingame"
18:49:30 [PS]Faustus: "Please, take a screen shot too..."
18:49:35 [eXS]Hydronix: "whats then?"
18:49:40 Selvarian: "Personally, it would be nice if we had a FAQ maintainer and a backup person that would handle the entries before they became public."
18:49:42 [PS]Faustus: "@spirit... true"
18:49:48 [eXS]Hydronix: "how to make a photo of cheating?"
18:49:58 [eXS]Hydronix: "i mean. i gotta make a video"
18:49:59 Selvarian: "Same thing with the news item posting."
18:50:08 [PS]sunshine: "hmm . then ask other players to support you"
18:50:07 [ C `] Dwarden: "YES what about EVERY FAQ need BE ACCEPTED by ADMIN to PUBLISH ?"
18:50:21 [PS]sunshine: "when several players see him, he can't say NO"
18:50:23 [PS]Faustus: "@selv... I look over the FAQ once in a while, I would expect all mods to check the FAQ for accuracy, and edit them if they see a problem or bad english..."
18:50:42 [eXS]Hydronix: "sun: but when its his clan they will say he didnt did it"
18:50:50 Selvarian: "As I discussed with Dwarden yesterday, I don't need to enter news items unless I am charged with that responsibility."
18:51:01 [eXS]Hydronix: "thats the problem"
18:51:04 [ C `] Dwarden: "Hydronix file called debug.mis IS more as video !!!!"
[PS]Faustus winks suspiciously at [PS]sunshine...([PS]Faustus)
18:51:20 Selvarian: "I would much rather submit items to someone to enter."
18:51:21 [ C `] Dwarden: "Yes same GOes for news"
18:51:25 [eXS]Hydronix: "ok"
18:51:30 Gladi: "hm waterice is good "
18:51:31 [ C `] Dwarden: "actually I give YOU example all listen:"
18:51:42 [ C `] Dwarden: "ME = become MAD and POST TERRIBLE f**kING NEWS"
18:51:56 [ C `] Dwarden: "i damaged DArkSpace. comunity everyone"
18:52:15 [ C `] Dwarden: "news need protection and be allowed to publish after control from Admin"
18:52:26 Selvarian: "That way, if I am about to post a duplicate item, someone wouldn't have to come back and remove my news item and get me all hot and bothered (not that I would mind you) over it."
18:52:51 ThreeJay: "i agree Dwarden..."
18:52:53 [MoA]Gatos: "gtg have visit cu @ll"
18:52:57 [PS]Faustus: "@dwarden/selv... ok, I'll change the scripts so news and FAQ has to be approved by either me or sunshine.."
18:52:56 [ C `] Dwarden: "I think NOW i'm Able post BIG ogly PORN pic in NEWs (of course if i'm lamer)"
18:53:02 [eXS]Hydronix: "bye gatus"
18:53:02 DoomDragon: "certain levels of mods would be better and you must get approved after some while to get higher"
18:53:07 [ C `] Dwarden: "thanks faustus"
18:53:06 [GER]Samweis: "cya gatos"
18:53:10 ThreeJay: "Faust: i disagree"
18:53:13 [MoA]Bumblebee: "cu gatos"
18:53:37 [PS]sunshine: "yes ... choose somebody who's a bit better skilled with english grammer "
18:53:40 Selvarian: "I understand the desire to be free and open, and I am not suggesting that this community would ever do something to hurt DS, but that is just a sensible stop-gap measure, not only for protection, but for integrity of information as well."
18:53:45 [PS]sunshine: "cu gatos"
18:53:48 ThreeJay: "1. german News are my job 2. nobody can control czech news..."
[MoA]Patlukowsky greets [PS]Faustus([MoA]Patlukowsky)
18:54:11 [PS]Faustus: "@3j... true... "
18:54:13 [ C `] Dwarden: "ThreeJay then You and ME have much bigger responsibility for news posting"
[MoA]Bumblebee is greeting [MoA]Patlukowsky([MoA]Bumblebee)
[MoA]Patlukowsky greets all [MoA] in the room([MoA]Patlukowsky)
18:54:19 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "hoi hoi "
18:54:26 [eXS]Hydronix: "i think dwarden can"
[MoA]Soul132 begrüßt [MoA]Patlukowsky([MoA]Soul132)
18:54:31 [PS]Faustus: "I've already got measures, by which you must have rights to post news..."
18:54:33 [PS]sunshine: "heya pat"
18:54:38 [GER]Samweis: "hi pat"
18:54:42 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "hello [PS]team"
18:54:44 [PS]Faustus: "no simple moderator can post news..."
18:54:46 ThreeJay: "i think sun, me and Dwarden should be news-admins"
18:54:46 [eXS]Hydronix: "hi pat"
18:54:48 Selvarian: "Yes, before you change it, Faustus, the maintainers need to be assigned. You have enough on your hands and sunshine is getting whacked pretty good now, too."
18:55:22 [ C `] Dwarden: "we need blue Guys "
18:55:28 [ C `] Dwarden: "Blue = subadmin"
18:55:35 [PS]Faustus: "K.... I'll double check who I've approved to post news, make sure it's a very select group.."
18:55:35 [ C `] Dwarden: "or supermoderator"
18:55:37 [ C `] Dwarden: ":)"
18:55:45 ThreeJay: "yes Webmasters... maybe it should be a different thing"
18:55:51 [MoA]Bumblebee: "lol"
18:55:56 [MoA]Bumblebee: "or red"
18:55:59 [PS]sunshine: "hehe"
18:56:05 Selvarian: "Hey, I want blue for serverops ... i was *first*.. nyah "
18:56:13 [PS]sunshine: "or pink for tj "
18:56:15 ThreeJay: "no, it's a really good point i think! So ppl know the guys to talk about the Webpages..."
18:56:16 [ C `] Dwarden: "ThreeJay no WEbMaster is Santori !!!"
18:56:34 ThreeJay: "??"
18:56:34 [GER]Samweis: "yes, pink for our batgirl "
18:56:37 [eXS]Geo: "???"
18:56:38 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "yes connect the trusted server option with this selected ones"
18:56:43 [ C `] Dwarden: "no"
18:56:52 Selvarian: "Oooh. Faustus.. it's 2PM. Maybe we need to wrap up any pertinent points that require you be here."
18:56:53 [ C `] Dwarden: "sorry i think that guy who made pages for PS"
18:56:59 [PS]Faustus: "K... guys, wife has to go to doctor appointment, I have to go watch the baby.... be back in a bit (downstairs on the laptop)..."
18:56:59 [ C `] Dwarden: "not sure if that he is"
18:57:10 [eXS]Hydronix: "ok"
18:57:16 ThreeJay: "ah now i know it's a baby "
18:57:20 [PS]sunshine: "k"
18:57:22 [MoA]Bumblebee: "till then BIG F"
18:57:25 [GER]Samweis: ":)"
18:57:45 [PS]sunshine: "you mean Feivel"
18:57:46 Selvarian: "OK. So the the FAQ topic is closed?"
18:58:16 [MoA]Bumblebee: "not realy"
18:58:36 Selvarian: "No? What other issues have not been addressed about the FAW?"
18:58:42 Selvarian: "FAQ."
18:58:49 [DI]captnsmooth: "Hi sorry I wasn't on time "
Selvarian gives [DI]captnsmooth a swat with claws retracted(Selvarian)
18:59:11 [PS]sunshine: "who checks for correct spelling ?"
[ C `] Dwarden waves to [DI]captnsmooth...([ C `] Dwarden)
18:59:18 Selvarian: "I can."
18:59:21 [ C `] Dwarden: "i checking"
18:59:35 Selvarian: "English, anyway."
18:59:33 [ C `] Dwarden: "all my FAQs are Faustus compatible"
18:59:37 [DI]captnsmooth: "Did I miss anything important?"
18:59:38 [ C `] Dwarden: ":)"
18:59:43 [MoA]Bumblebee: "make it so ))))))"
19:00:15 Gladi: "dwarden you can make the tches faq "
19:00:15 [PS]sunshine: "k, so you care for proper english in the faq selvarian "
19:00:21 Selvarian: "I have to whip out my handy-dandy Universal Translator to even make an attempt at something else. I maybe could do some pidgin Spanish, if there is such a thing."
19:00:27 [PS]sunshine: "and dwarden for the czech one's"
19:00:29 [ C `] Dwarden: "yes i know "
19:00:33 [PS]sunshine: "3j for the german ones"
19:00:41 [DI]captnsmooth: "I'll do the retarded english."
19:00:56 [MoA]Bumblebee: "an i do the japanese - lol"
19:01:04 Selvarian: "If it's Czech, it's Dwarden right now... "
19:01:04 [PS]sunshine: "lol"
19:01:09 [eXS]Vampyer: "hehe"
19:01:11 [DI]captnsmooth: "I'll do n00banese."
19:01:20 [PS]sunshine: "bumlbe, you can do the swizerland-version"
19:01:28 Selvarian: "OK. I'll work on the English FAQ."
19:01:32 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "lol"
19:01:33 [MoA]Bumblebee: "thats for shure"
19:01:35 Gladi: "and danks?"
19:01:35 [eXS]Hydronix: "hehehe"
19:01:52 Selvarian: "Send all additions and updates and suggestions to me via email."
19:02:02 Selvarian: "email addy is in my profile"
19:02:09 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "@Bumble, you can do the faq for switzerland "
19:02:24 [MoA]Bumblebee: "again - for shure"
19:02:29 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "Ah, sun was faster than i"
19:02:35 [PS]sunshine: "hehe"
19:02:40 Selvarian: "OK. Any other FAQ issues?"
19:02:44 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "shure???"
19:02:47 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "sure?"
19:02:49 [MoA]Bumblebee: "he is white -remember?"
19:02:57 [DI]captnsmooth: "Are we going to expand the FAQ?"
19:03:00 ThreeJay: "what is the baby doing to faustus? "
19:03:05 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "meeeeh?"
19:03:06 Selvarian: "Yes"
19:03:21 [DI]captnsmooth: "Ok good because it's pretty small right now."
19:03:45 [PS]sunshine: "yes .. maybe we should add some of the latest changes .. ship lost ect .."
19:03:49 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "torment him to get his silver badge for his first dread "
19:03:59 Selvarian: "Send entries to me or enter them if you can. I will edit them as needed and send updates to the other FAQ maintainers."
19:04:25 [DI]captnsmooth: "Have we discussed the language rules?"
19:04:43 [eXS]Geo: "yes"
19:04:45 Selvarian: "Yes."
19:04:54 [eXS]Hydronix: "jup"
19:04:56 [PS]sunshine: "we could add your mail addy in the "how to add an faq entry""
19:05:01 Selvarian: "We can recap in a bit. We need to move to the next topic"
19:05:02 [DI]captnsmooth: "Did we come up with a list of words that are unacceptable?"
19:05:14 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "argh, in mpogd, ds is now 10th"
19:05:16 [DI]captnsmooth: "Ok, well I'll read the log."
19:05:25 Selvarian: "Moving along... New Moderators.."
you already voted for DarkSpace @MPOGD today ???([PS]sunshine)
19:05:35 [PS]sunshine: ";)"
19:05:41 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "only 260 votes"
19:05:45 [eXS]Hydronix: "yes"
19:05:47 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "push it up"
19:05:48 [MoA]Bumblebee: "yesssssssssss"
19:05:55 Gladi: "some thing others thems?"
19:06:01 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "yes"
19:06:16 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "done"
19:06:24 [DI]captnsmooth: "Ok I don't think DS's rank on MPOGD is very important right now"
19:06:30 [DI]captnsmooth: "Sorry to say."
19:06:36 ThreeJay: "it IS )"
19:06:38 Selvarian: "Someone wanted to discuss voting/recommending new moderators. Please speak up."
19:06:50 [PS]sunshine: "yes, geo did"
19:06:51 [eXS]Geo: "Well I think MPOGD isn't a very important site"
19:07:00 [DI]captnsmooth: "I believe that was Cuisnart."
19:07:14 [PS]sunshine: "may attract some new players .. "
19:07:29 [eXS]Geo: "I don't think so"
19:07:38 [eXS]Geo: "there is a much more important thing..."
19:07:44 [ C `] Dwarden: "yes we need election system"
19:07:51 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "and what...?"
19:07:56 [MoA]Bumblebee: "speak free geo"
19:07:56 ThreeJay: "which is?"
19:07:59 [ C `] Dwarden: "for new moderators, levels of moderators, new admins etc"
19:08:02 [eXS]Geo: "PUBLIC RELATIONS"
19:08:06 [PS]sunshine: "true .. but when thousands of people vote for planetarion they may see darkspace and try it too "
19:08:19 [eXS]Geo: "in the last time there haven't been any previews"
19:08:25 [eXS]Geo: "or big News about DS"
19:08:26 Selvarian: "Rules concerning new moderators. Well, let's see. I have spoken against an outright democratic voting system by the players, but I have endorsed player recommendations with the decision to make someone a mod up to PaleStar (sunshine and Faustus)"
19:08:31 [PS]sunshine: "yes, no previews"
19:08:33 [DI]captnsmooth: "ANYWAYS moving along to NEW MODERATORS and ELECTIONS."
19:08:43 [eXS]Hydronix: "there are news on pcgames"
19:08:46 Chromix_: "yep @selvarian"
19:08:53 [eXS]Hydronix: "and i am doing my best "
19:08:57 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "Faustus is back"
19:08:59 [eXS]Geo: "@Hydro: but it's the only one"
19:09:11 Selvarian: "YO! FOlks! Focus, please."
19:09:12 [ C `] Dwarden: "Czech game magazins watch DarkSpace"
19:09:13 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "thats right"
19:09:17 ThreeJay: "nes on pcgames.de ??"
19:09:16 [ C `] Dwarden: "especially web ones"
19:09:19 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "the baby dont kill u? "
19:09:22 [eXS]Hydronix: "@geo: yes. but cant get the others amagzines to post some"
19:09:23 [PS]sunshine: "reachead nearly all other german online mags when we broke 10.000 user barrier"
19:09:30 [MoA]Bumblebee: "rehokka faustus"
19:09:36 ThreeJay: "really??"
19:09:40 ThreeJay: "hi Faustus"
19:09:46 [MoA]Bumblebee: "me to @sun"
19:09:47 [PS]sunshine: "it's apitty that the big german magazoines don't do the same "
19:09:48 [eXS]Geo: "@Dwarden: but english/american not ... and the german ones aren't very much interested too..."
19:09:55 [eXS]Hydronix: "3j: yes"
19:09:57 [PS]Faustus: "howdy..."
19:09:59 [DI]captnsmooth: "@ Selv: I also think a democratic system would be an unwise decision. However we have to base it on more than just recommendations from players, we have to take into account the time zones, languages, etc etc."
19:10:00 Chromix_: "hm, maybe we´d need an extended tutorial or something as "demo version" or something for those games mags."
19:10:05 [PS]sunshine: "re faust"
19:10:07 Selvarian: "Faustus, the topic at hand is new moderators."
19:10:25 [PS]Faustus: "K"
19:10:33 Selvarian: "captn -> absolutely. I am thinking mainly a feedback form for mods and potential mods."
19:10:39 ThreeJay: "Aaaam, what about webmasters now? i think we should finish one topic first..."
19:10:50 Chromix_: "Selvarian: there was a long mod voting thread in the forum some time ago.. .I think there´re enough suggestions for different ways to handle it in it"
19:11:00 [PS]Faustus: "I think a possible good system would be for 3 existing moderators to nominate another player.."
19:11:07 [eXS]Geo: "okay, make us Webmasters in different color"
19:11:12 Selvarian: ""If you want to be a mod, sign up" "If you want to see someone become a mod, recommend them or post feedback on them here""
[MoA]Soul132 has entered the room...([MoA]Soul132)
19:11:20 [MoA]FrankySZ: ":-)"
19:11:26 Gladi: "news poster e.g."
19:11:32 [eXS]Geo: "@Faustus: nope....like that, we could get our whole Clan a Mod"
19:11:34 Gladi: "faq checker e.g."
19:11:38 Selvarian: "Chromix -> Yah, I know, I posted in it."
19:11:50 [DI]captnsmooth: "RE: Moderators: I also think we should have some sort of feedback form regarding a moderator's behaviors, where players can post complaints or comments or positive feedback."
19:11:54 [GER]Samweis: "let us be in the colors of rainbow "
19:11:54 [PS]sunshine: "agree with geo"
19:11:57 [DI]Smokey: "oh duh didn't see this room!!!"
19:11:59 [PS]sunshine: "same with a community poll"
19:12:12 [eXS]Geo: "@Capts: no good idea...too much work"
Selvarian gestures a welcome to [DI]Smokey(Selvarian)
19:12:33 [eXS]Geo: "the best would be the following"
19:12:35 Selvarian: "(Looking at chronograph on wrist)"
19:12:33 [ C `] Dwarden: "1 vote for 1 clan .... more moderators in clan = still one vote!"
[DI]Smokey slaps [DI]Smokey in the head...([DI]Smokey)
19:12:38 Chromix_: "... a List all potential mods are put on... current mods look at this list to recommend a few of those, final decision is made by PS, how about that ?"
19:12:42 [DI]Smokey: ":O)"
19:12:44 [DI]captnsmooth: "@ Geo: It would seem easier just to set up a feedback form for that instead of faustus getting emails from complaining players."
19:12:49 [eXS]Geo: "the admins make a list of people who want to become Mods"
19:13:11 [DI]captnsmooth: "Hm I seem to be getting of topic."
19:13:13 [PS]Faustus: "@geo... not necessarly, it would still have to be either me or sunshine or another admin to actually make that player a moderator.."
19:13:28 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "one question do we need at the moment more mods??"
19:13:30 [eXS]Geo: "and from time to time the old-mods will be asked about these guys...via E-Mail"
19:13:31 Selvarian: "No, the topic is the procurement of new moderators.. you're on-topic"
19:13:32 Gladi: "nimby e.g. "
19:13:41 [MoA]FrankySZ: "i think we've really enough mods at time....."
19:13:43 [PS]Faustus: "I think we just need a system by which the admns can truely know from the players that a person would be a good moderator.."
19:13:45 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "nope enough mods at the moment"
19:13:54 [PS]sunshine: "let me interrupt you:"
19:13:54 [DI]Smokey: "ditto"
19:13:59 [DI]captnsmooth: "I don't think the question is a matter of how many mods we have"
19:14:01 Selvarian: "Faustus -> Agreed."
19:14:06 [PS]sunshine: "several people asked me to become mods"
19:14:08 [DI]captnsmooth: "Because no doubt in the future we will need new mods."
[DI]DeathSniper has entered the room...([DI]DeathSniper)
19:14:12 [PS]Faustus: "We've got 58 moderators right now"
19:14:14 [DI]DeathSniper: "ack"
[DI]DeathSniper waves at everyone([DI]DeathSniper)
19:14:23 Chromix_: "yep.. there are currently enough mods in the rooms, no need for new ones atm"
19:14:31 [PS]sunshine: "aland i think some of them could be good mods, so we should talk about possible candidates each week on the mod forum"
19:14:35 [DI]captnsmooth: "Ok I'm using pink so I get more noticed "
19:14:36 [MoA]Bumblebee: "58 - heavy"
19:14:37 [eXS]Geo: "I have to say something..."
19:14:39 [DI]DeathSniper: "Sorry I'm late, got held up :"
19:14:41 Chromix_: "...bbl"
19:14:47 [eXS]Hydronix: "@faustus: and how much active players?"
19:14:51 [eXS]Geo: "First of all ALL the mods have to do their job..."
19:14:59 [PS]Faustus: "I think, the creation of moderators are going to continue to be a manual process.... "
19:14:59 Selvarian: "Something that may need to be considered is enumerating the various roles that mods play in the game and making sure those roles are filled."
19:14:59 [ C `] Dwarden: "I have question have moderator problem to reveal his Identity, realtime name, age etC?"
19:15:02 ThreeJay: "We have too much bad mods at the moment i think..."
19:15:06 [ C `] Dwarden: "i have no problem with this"
19:15:09 [PS]sunshine: "np sniper"
19:15:13 [MoA]Bumblebee: "agree @faustus"
19:15:15 [eXS]Geo: "and not like I saw it....ignoring a guy who used bad language several times in game"
19:15:28 Selvarian: "That way, you can tell if you have enough or not."
19:15:45 [DI]captnsmooth: "@ Geo - We need a definate list of unacceptable words."
19:15:46 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "also i talked to Sun about a minimum age for mods"
19:15:51 [eXS]Geo: "or 7 Mods poweridling in the Lobby....and a newbie asking for help"
19:15:52 [DI]captnsmooth: "For me right now I am still unclear."
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| Posted: 2001-10-08 15:03
19:16:05 [MoA]Bumblebee: "yes - spirit is right"
19:16:09 [eXS]Geo: "and noone answers"
19:16:25 [PS]sunshine: "the away command is still missing"
19:16:29 [ C `] Dwarden: "Geo because Away missing"
19:16:32 Gladi: "no but plz not ofer 18 "
19:16:33 [DI]Smokey: "perhaps a languge filter so we won't have to tell ppl not to swear? a filter mods could update with words?"
19:16:34 ThreeJay: ""poweridling" lol "
19:16:37 [PS]sunshine: "but you#re right geo"
19:16:46 Gladi: "over 15 its okey "
19:16:52 [ C `] Dwarden: "over 16"
19:16:59 [PS]sunshine: "mods should try to stay up to date with the updates "
19:17:03 [PS]sunshine: "so they can help people"
19:17:03 Selvarian: "Yeah, that is a little tacky. However, I have been in some intense whispers with some folks or posting on the forums and didn't notice the newbie questions. However, 7 of them online and no response is a little much."
19:17:18 [eXS]Geo: "you don't need a minimum age of 18"
19:17:30 Gladi: "hm but myself sometimes dont know what the update makes or some bugs i dont know sun dont know them too"
19:17:42 [DI]captnsmooth: "See this is where a mod feedback form would come in... newbie doesnt get help from 7 mods, then he goes to the form, enters their names, and the problem."
19:17:42 [MoA]Bumblebee: "no - but 16+ is needed - i think"
19:17:43 [eXS]Geo: "Like we can see, Gladi, who is younger, is doing a good job..."
19:17:59 [DI]DeathSniper: "Mods shouldn't be a certain age, as long as they do their job"
19:17:59 [PS]sunshine: "we had a mod .. aged 13 if i remember right ."
19:18:09 ThreeJay: "we had??"
19:18:16 Selvarian: "OK. This looks like a fairly complicated topic with a lot of subissues. How about we re-open it in the Mod Forum?"
19:18:16 [eXS]Hydronix: "had or have?"
19:18:17 ThreeJay: "or do we have? "
19:18:22 [eXS]Vampyer: "yes"
19:18:27 [PS]sunshine: "had ... Silver"
19:18:31 [GS]Flying Dutchman: "suggestion to resolve the missed newbie questions -- create a permanent Newbie chat room and have each moderator commit to a certain amount of time ON DUTY in that room."
19:18:34 [DI]captnsmooth: "Yes Selv, good idea."
19:18:39 Gladi: "hm does faust make a away button for us?"
19:18:45 [GER]Samweis: "ok, i will leave ya now ... cya later"
19:18:46 [PS]sunshine: "!st LT silver .. he changed his name when he gained a new rank "
19:18:52 [DI]captnsmooth: "@ Dutch - Excellent Idea."
19:18:54 [DI]DeathSniper: "Dutch, what if there's no one in the newbie room? "
19:18:58 [MoA]Bumblebee: "cu samn"
19:18:58 [ C `] Dwarden: "there is problem people under adult age have minimally RESPONSIBILITY for things they DO !"
19:19:05 [eXS]Geo: "How about "Compagnons"?"
[MoA]Soul132 say cu [GER]Samweis([MoA]Soul132)
19:19:19 ThreeJay: "oha, the guy wo was using the harsh language and makinf fun out of newbies? "
19:19:19 Gladi: "i make a noob server and at first i was on it and helped noob but now only high ranks coem to my server to make kill points on cost from noobs"
19:19:22 [PS]sunshine: "cya sam"
19:19:24 [eXS]Hydronix: "bye sam"
[MoA]Patlukowsky says CU to [GER]Samweis([MoA]Patlukowsky)
19:19:26 [PS]sunshine: "compagnons ?"
19:19:29 [eXS]Geo: "Ciao Sam"
19:19:39 [DI]DeathSniper: "Dwarden, so you're saying if someone is 17, they can't moderate responsibilly?"
19:19:50 [eXS]Geo: "people showing newbies ingame the things..."
19:20:13 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "or add a Modlist similar the friend list in which all mods listed with their ICQ number and the spoken language so someone in need of help can select the right one"
19:20:14 [eXS]Geo: "i saw that this is a good thing...and the newbies really like it"
19:20:15 [PS]sunshine: "some people are very active in helping newbies"
19:20:36 ThreeJay: "Faustus left???"
19:20:37 [PS]sunshine: "they are possible candidates to become mod in my opinion"
19:20:46 [ C `] Dwarden: "Death NO but there must be something to secure non-adult moderators"
19:20:53 [eXS]Geo: "@Spirit: Goooooooood ideal!!!!!"
19:20:55 [GS]Flying Dutchman: "newbie room wouldnt be limited to mods this room would also be an excellent tool to see who wants to be a mod and if they help others"
19:20:57 [DI]captnsmooth: "! New Idea : Perhaps new players should get a different color next to their name (i.e. admins = white, mods = green, new players (first week) = orange or some other color)."
19:20:58 [DI]DeathSniper: "Newbies idono't seem to listen to why I explain they build factories on barren planets with 0 resources...  "
19:20:59 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "i made this personal tutorials some time ago and it was really welcomed"
19:21:08 [PS]sunshine: "guess faustus is already working on such a list"
19:21:21 ThreeJay: "captnsmooth: A good idea!!"
19:21:36 [DI]DeathSniper: "Sprit, captn good ideas"
19:21:40 [MoA]Bumblebee: "or at a baby - lol"
19:21:43 [DI]DeathSniper: "Dwarden, that's why there's other mods around..."
19:21:43 [DI]captnsmooth: "So we have a better idea of who to give our attention to."
19:21:52 [PS]sunshine: "yes . agree with you"
19:21:59 Gladi: "i help noobs per server console too but they dont here me "
19:22:02 [eXS]Geo: "I'm in the mood to change my name tonight brb"
19:22:04 Selvarian: "OK. I started a new topic in the mod forum. If you don't have posting access, speak to da man at da top."
19:22:04 [DI]DeathSniper: "If a person isn't moderating, you dont just do nothing "
19:22:26 [DI]DeathSniper: "hmm sunshine's da man at da top? "
19:22:30 [ C `] Dwarden: "what about number behind name (visible for moderators which Showing how many days is players in game, 1st day =1 , 2nd = 2 etc!)"
19:22:30 [eXS]Hydronix: "what about taking newbies by the hand and show them ds if they want"
19:22:40 [DI]Smokey: "Mods should be more visable ingame like before with the green text.... now if you don't know the mods name you can't tell them apart from the other ppl ingame...."
19:22:42 Selvarian: "I'll try to distill the issues out of the chat log later and post them (someone please send me the complete log)"
19:22:44 [GS]Flying Dutchman: "if a mod is connected and playing but not in the room how can someone ask a mod for help if none in the room?"
19:22:45 [PS]sunshine: "no, faustus is da man at da top "
19:22:55 [DI]DeathSniper: "Hydronix, some mods don't do that, I try my best to do that :"
19:23:03 Gladi: "but iam only on one side and nobody on other side to help ther too"
19:23:05 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "yes again different chat colors ingame for mods"
19:23:14 [eXS]Hydronix: "death: me 2"
19:23:39 [DI]DeathSniper: "heh Dutch, I spend about 3/4 of the time Im logged onto DS just sitting in the lobby and answering/helping people :"
19:23:44 [DI]Smokey: "the different colors should carry across the /yell /faction or whatever chats too"
19:23:47 [MoA]Bumblebee: "yes - we need a different chat-color"
19:23:57 [DI]captnsmooth: "! Another Idea ! - Perhaps we should divide the mods into more specifically knowledgable areas, because I know not everyone has the same wealth of knowledge in all the areas of DS (i.e. Hardware, bugs, tactics, etc.), so we could have mods that are topic-specific related (i.e. some know more about hardware setup, more about bugs, more about something else...)"
19:24:05 [DI]DeathSniper: "Maybe put moderator chat white?"
19:24:08 [DI]DeathSniper: "iin ga me"
19:24:24 [DI]DeathSniper: "That works captn "
19:24:31 [DI]DeathSniper: "But what about people who don't know anything like me? "
19:24:35 [PS]sunshine: "white is an evil colour"
19:24:43 [DI]Smokey: "hmm white is easy to miss... something that stands old would be nice"
19:24:46 [ C `] Dwarden: "hmmm how u want differ people who know more as 2 areas ?"
19:24:48 [DI]DeathSniper: "So you're an evil little man sunshine?  "
19:24:48 [DI]captnsmooth: "Well then we would call you a General Moderator."
19:24:51 [PS]sunshine: "lol"
19:24:56 Gladi: "or black? *g*"
19:24:59 Exile: "@Captn, not good. Then we have not two mods need too be in chat room, to answer, but 5 or then..."
19:25:01 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "make it a bright blue or red"
19:25:03 Selvarian: "sunshine -> nah, can't be Mr. Rourke and Tatto dressed in white."
19:25:02 [ C `] Dwarden: "like some who know bugs, hardwarem tactic, etc"
19:25:12 [DI]DeathSniper: "Black would stand out Actually blue would be good"
19:25:26 [DI]DeathSniper: "Dwarden, they that person's just combined"
19:25:40 [DI]Smokey: "a color that isn't already used ingame would do nice..."
19:25:44 [DI]DeathSniper: "hey sun, I still would like my guy at the side to be blue "
19:25:47 [DI]DeathSniper: "Pink!"
19:25:49 [DI]captnsmooth: "@ Exile - No we wouldn't need more mods in a room to answer questions, because we would require the mods to stay up to date as much as possible, just we would denote ones who had more knowledge in one area than another."
19:25:50 Geo: "lol"
19:25:52 [DI]DeathSniper: "That would DEFINATELLY stand out... "
19:25:54 Geo: "thats funny"
19:25:54 [DI]Smokey: "hehe"
19:25:58 Geo: "changed my name"
19:25:55 [ C `] Dwarden: "oki I'm Rainbow colored now !"
19:26:00 [PS]sunshine: "hehe"
19:26:24 [DI]DeathSniper: "No really! I want pink! *runs away*"
19:26:25 [DI]captnsmooth: "Somehow I feel as some are not as focused as others..."
19:26:32 [DI]Smokey: "i'd have to ban myself if it was a pink color )"
19:26:38 Selvarian: "This kinda goes back to my earlier point about defining purpose and roles for moderators in the game. If that can be done, then it would be fairly easy to categorize mods with specific tasks/responsibilities."
19:26:44 [DI]DeathSniper: "Pink catches people's eye...pink's a girls color...ack no more "
19:26:57 [PS]sunshine: "lol @smokey"
19:27:00 Exile: "Why, For example i know hard good. But i'm not connected, or playing. What other admin to do. Answer or not? What player to do, wait for me? "
19:27:03 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "ahh geo is a yellow guy )"
19:27:10 Geo: "lol"
19:27:13 [DI]DeathSniper: "can you ban me too smokey then? "
19:27:25 [DI]Smokey: ":O)"
19:27:28 Selvarian: "OK. We are getting a little carried away here... "
19:27:29 [DI]captnsmooth: "@ Exile - We do what the current setup allows: Answer to the best of our abilities."
19:27:31 Geo: "wait a sec... seems like I found a bug "
19:27:39 [MoA]FrankySZ: "ups eXS lost theur leader:-)"
19:27:41 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "dont split up the mods to much, just add on my earlier mentioned Modlist a point special knowledge in ..."
[ C `] Dwarden smiles at Geo...([ C `] Dwarden)
19:27:48 [PS]sunshine: "if none of the skiled mods over a special topic is available send the people to the forum"
19:28:01 Exile: "Agreed Spirit"
19:28:01 Selvarian: "Like I said, I reopened the topic in the mod forum. Post your ideas and responses so we can explore this topic in more depth than we can here."
19:28:16 [DI]captnsmooth: "@ Exile - This doesn't mean mod's are ONLY going to know specific stuff pertaining to darkspace, we are just noting the ones who have a greater knowledge in one area."
19:28:25 [DI]DeathSniper: "Yes"
19:28:33 [DI]captnsmooth: "I think you guys misunderstood me."
19:28:40 [DI]DeathSniper: "No"
19:28:41 Exile: "What for? If them are not available at the moment?"
19:28:52 [DI]DeathSniper: "Exile, if they're not available you can ask a general mod"
19:29:01 [DI]captnsmooth: "Ok Exile I am completely lost about what you're saying."
19:29:05 [DI]DeathSniper: "The people that are 'noted' just know MORE things in that area"
19:29:13 [DI]DeathSniper: "Doesn't mean that others don't know it too"
19:29:24 [PS]sunshine: "yes"
19:29:27 Exile: "I don't see the point in dividing mods. All mods should try to answer as best as they can!"
19:29:35 [DI]captnsmooth: "This won't mean that if you have a hardware problem, and say I'm the only one that is denoted as a Hardware Mod, that only I can answer the questions."
19:29:32 [ C `] Dwarden: "ANOTHER IDEA .... WHAT ABOUT CHANCE ADD TO PROFILE LANGUAGES YOU CAN SPEAK ?!"
19:29:39 [DI]captnsmooth: "Ok nevermind."
19:29:41 [DI]DeathSniper: "Exile you CAN ask any mod you want"
19:29:42 [DI]captnsmooth: "I give up."
19:29:51 [DI]DeathSniper: "That's a good idea dwarden"
19:29:56 [DI]captnsmooth: "Lets move along."
19:29:57 [DI]DeathSniper: "It's just you should go to the denoted mods first"
19:30:05 [eXS]Wattwurm: "hehe"
19:30:09 Selvarian: "I sometimes don't know the correct answer to a newbie question. If I know where they can find it, I tell them. Otherwise, I tell them my "best guess" and tell them that it is such."
19:30:19 [PS]sunshine: "lol @geo "
19:30:21 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "geo lol"
19:30:25 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "hehe, Wattwurm is here"
19:30:32 [MoA]FrankySZ: "lol @Geo"
19:30:32 Gladi: "lol"
19:30:51 [MoA]Bumblebee: "wattwurm - hehe"
19:30:58 [eXS]Vampyer: "*grins*"
19:30:58 [eXS]Geo: "back"
· [eXS]Geo gives [eXS]Gladi a standing ovation... ([eXS]Geo)
19:31:08 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "better now"
19:31:09 [PS]sunshine: "yes, send them to the forum"
19:31:11 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "hehe"
19:31:17 Gladi: "iam BACK "
19:31:17 Selvarian: "OK. So we are going to continue this in the forums, ok?"
19:31:25 [eXS]Hydronix: "hehehe"
19:31:36 [eXS]Geo: "but honestly I think of changing my Nickname "
19:31:36 [DI]captnsmooth: "I think I'm going to develop a moderator help list - that is basic steps you can take in helping players with different questions."
19:31:48 Selvarian: "There are a lot of good points made here and good discussion. I'll make sure it gets into the forum."
19:32:35 [DI]captnsmooth: "Does anyone have any other topics they'd like to discuss"
19:32:41 Selvarian: "The last topic I have on my list is some issues about news items."
19:33:14 Selvarian: "Anyone have any issues about news items?"
19:33:18 [PS]sunshine: "faustus will select only a few persons to post news"
19:33:27 [DI]captnsmooth: "What kind of issues?"
[DU]Lieutenant Commander Silver has entered the room...([DU]Lieutenant Commander Silver)
19:34:00 Selvarian: "Someone brought something up earlier and I wanted to make sure that it got addressed."
19:34:10 [MoA]Bumblebee: "thats better @sun"
19:34:17 Selvarian: "Looks like we are good on news items."
19:34:19 [PS]sunshine: "best solution i think"
19:34:22 [PS]sunshine: "and with new mods"
19:34:58 [PS]sunshine: "if you see anybody who's giving help to newbies all the time"
19:35:01 Selvarian: "The only other thing I had on my list is something I may need to just talk to Faustus about directly: Subjective Game Balance."
19:35:10 [PS]sunshine: "then tell me his name"
19:35:19 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "no new mods bring the old one in a order and remove black sheeps"
19:35:22 [PS]sunshine: "just suggestions"
19:35:25 [DI]captnsmooth: "Hey sunshine, I know one guy: captnsmooth "
19:35:26 [MoA]Bumblebee: "i will"
19:35:30 [PS]sunshine: "and we can talk about them each meeting"
19:35:39 [DI]DeathSniper: "Yeyp Spirit"
19:35:40 Selvarian: "Anyone have any thoughts on how the Game Balancing is working / not working?"
19:36:00 [DI]captnsmooth: "I've heard some complaints about the ship balancing"
19:36:02 [PS]sunshine: "yes, but there are some guys which would be good mods in my opinion"
19:36:06 [DI]DeathSniper: "Nah captnsmooth can't even figure out how to play this game himself...but he shows newbies really good how to planet crash "
19:36:08 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "as always ICC dreads are ahown up to early"
19:36:09 [DI]captnsmooth: "And the arc radius of weapons."
19:36:10 [PS]sunshine: "and some black sheeps left .. true"
[DI]captnsmooth whacks [DI]captnsmooth with a rolled-up issue of the New York Times.([DI]captnsmooth)
19:36:27 [DI]DeathSniper: "Too many ships are full weap fire arc"
19:36:31 Selvarian: "Well, I am thinking from the 10,000-foot level here."
19:36:32 [DI]captnsmooth: "whoops "
19:36:32 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "meeeeeeeeeh"
19:36:35 [eXS]Dead-Eye: ":)"
[DI]captnsmooth whacks [DI]DeathSniper with a rolled-up issue of the New York Times.([DI]captnsmooth)
19:36:56 [DI]DeathSniper: "Should be more port/starboard/fore...and very few ships should have aft weapons"
19:36:56 [DI]captnsmooth: "I actually do have a subject regarding game balance"
19:37:09 Gladi: "is meeting over?"
19:37:14 Selvarian: "Basically, it seems to me that the game balance actions are more subjective than they should be, resulting in a ping-pong effect."
19:37:14 [MoA]Bumblebee: "speak"
19:37:25 [DI]Smokey: "as long as the ICC dreads come first everyone will play the ICC and overwhelm the UTGO.... some of the reqs for the silver combat ships need to be a captain but most ppl will be 1RA or so before they get silver..."
19:38:12 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "yes and u need a big UGTO fleet to take out even a 400A "
19:38:15 [DI]captnsmooth: "I think there should be some kind of "bonus" or "reward" at the end of a scenario. This would instill a greater sense of teamplay, instead of everyone just doing whatever they can to get prestige as fast as they can because too many time's I've seen or been victim to players not helping they're team at all, and just doing their own thing."
19:38:29 [DI]Smokey: "and then the UTGO needs a better bomber... something like the 140B"
19:38:40 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "140B???"
19:38:43 Exile: "Yea, that's right. Sometimes you need to be only captain with silver combat. Silver combat is impossible for captain"
19:38:44 [DI]DeathSniper: "Ya I was on a server last night and rallied the troops to win...it was great "
19:38:47 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "You means M190B"
19:38:53 [DI]Smokey: "the 140B destoyer for the ICC"
19:38:55 [DI]Smokey: "yeah yeah"
19:38:59 Selvarian: "IE, one side has problems and the problems are addressed based on the level of complaints. Then later, the other side is balanced based on the further feedback."
19:39:07 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "ICC has no 140B destroyer "
19:39:08 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "yes a big bomber for UGTO would be nice"
[PS]sunshine has entered the room...([PS]sunshine)
19:39:27 [DI]DeathSniper: "well UGTO has command dread "
19:39:30 [PS]sunshine: "argh"
19:39:38 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "Icc has the 190B the Jump cruiser (nice thing) and the 400B"
19:39:38 [DI]Smokey: "the ICC has a M140B destoyer bomber"
19:39:44 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "disco, sun?"
19:39:45 Selvarian: "I want to know if there is some sort of objective, statistical, mathematical, etc analysis done for balance purposes. I don't see it, though."
19:39:54 [DI]DeathSniper: "You haev to balance out the sides...not ship-by-ship"
19:39:56 [PS]sunshine: "anyone knows a mod called Knight ?"
19:39:57 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "No, its a M190B bomber destroyer "
19:40:03 [DI]DeathSniper: "hey sun is there anything about getting prestige in scouts?"
19:40:06 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "hmm lost connection to gamecq ("
19:40:08 Selvarian: "No."
19:40:09 Gladi: "icc has 190b!!!!!"
19:40:14 [DI]DeathSniper: "Never seen him before sun"
19:40:20 [MoA]FrankySZ: "nope@sun"
19:40:25 [eXS]Geo: "I still have a little point"
19:40:25 Exile: "@Selv. As mentioned earlier. Required rank sometimes not equal to required badges"
19:40:26 [DI]Smokey: "M140B!!! i drive it all the time!!"
19:40:28 [DI]DeathSniper: "Smoke it's 190B...One...Niner...Zero...B..."
19:40:30 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "@Spirit, M42B Frigate and a scout too"
19:40:30 [MoA]Bumblebee: "noe"
19:40:35 [eXS]Hydronix: "no"
19:40:37 [DI]Smokey: "no"
19:40:38 [MoA]Bumblebee: "no knight"
19:40:44 [DI]DeathSniper: "lol Smoke"
19:40:44 Gladi: "hm or 140b? no 190b"
19:40:45 [DI]Smokey: "woops"
19:40:46 [PS]sunshine: "he's on the list"
19:40:50 [PS]sunshine: "but don't know hi either .."
19:40:51 [DI]captnsmooth: "@ Selv: I think the basic problem this all comes down to is the backgrounds of the ICC and UGTO. Both seem very similar, except ICC has shields and the UGTO does not. We need to balance it so each faction has more "unique" ships with some unique weaponry, instead of being able to have the same weapons on either team."
19:40:53 [DI]Smokey: "i guess it was 190B"
19:40:54 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "@Smokey no its 190B it was the last 6months !!"
19:40:55 [eXS]Hydronix: "maybe he renamed"
19:40:55 [eXS]Geo: "ingame mods should be visible like before...a different color of their chattext"
19:41:01 [DI]DeathSniper: "I've been around quite a bit in the lobby and never seen him sun"
19:41:02 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "Not M140B, its M190B"
19:41:06 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "its in my friendlist sun"
19:41:12 Gladi: "but ugto ave 2 it on defesn base"
19:41:27 [DI]Smokey: "yeah im retarded can't read )"
19:41:28 Selvarian: "Yes, I agree. However, I am really talking about the method of performing that balance."
19:41:42 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "hehe"
19:41:44 [DI]captnsmooth: "Oh, well then I can't help much "
19:41:44 [DI]DeathSniper: "I think we already figured out that Smoke"
19:41:51 [DI]captnsmooth: "I'm just an ideas guy "
19:41:52 [DI]DeathSniper: "Selv, whats wrong with teh way they're doing it?"
19:42:05 Gladi: "but i mean to remember that shilds dont let inf trough or issnt it?"
19:42:10 Selvarian: "Taking feedback and nudging ship / player attributes without any real analysis means that the game will NEVER be balanced."
19:42:19 [eXS]Geo: "they let...but they shoulddn't"
19:42:26 Selvarian: "SOmeone will ALWAYS complain about something."
19:42:37 [DI]DeathSniper: "Well they should have some mods play together and really analyze..."
19:42:38 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "@Smokey: if you need a ship list, look at http://www.dsportal.de/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=10 . Sorry, it is in german, but the ship name are in english "
19:43:03 [DI]captnsmooth: "I will have a complete ship list on n00bspace"
19:43:09 [DI]captnsmooth: "With pictures and specs."
19:43:10 [DI]Smokey: "yeah yeah i just look like a 4 intead of a 9"
19:43:11 [DI]captnsmooth: ":)"
19:43:12 Exile: "@Selv, the issue with rank/badgeas are ballanced not so difficult"
19:43:15 [DI]DeathSniper: "I believe there are people testing ships atm...not sure who tho "
19:43:26 Selvarian: "That's not what I mean. I mean a real, sit-down, fat-and-hairy mathematical analysis of the game balance."
19:43:34 [PS]sunshine: "stop hehe, another idea to get rid of inactive mods"
19:43:49 [DI]DeathSniper: "stop hehe?"
19:43:52 [MoA]Bumblebee: "de-mod them"
19:43:58 [DI]captnsmooth: "Selvarian, that's pretty much up to Faustus."
19:44:00 Exile: "@Selv, what you want to se in such an analysis?"
19:44:02 Gladi: "sun is the MEETING OVER?"
19:44:08 Selvarian: "Like I said, I think I need to take this up with Faustus."
19:44:14 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "Sun has disco"
19:44:18 [DI]captnsmooth: "Ok..."
19:44:23 [eXS]Vampyer: "It' seems so. Faustus is working "
19:44:28 Exile: "@Selv, have you an example of such analys?"
19:44:31 [DI]DeathSniper: "I think he wants to see math charts...worked out with damage/armor/shields/weaopns blah blah"
19:44:33 [MoA]Bumblebee: "do that selv"
19:44:38 Selvarian: "I just wanted to see what everyone else had to say before I did."
19:44:39 Gladi: "hmpf"
[PS]sunshine has entered the room...([PS]sunshine)
19:44:59 [PS]sunshine: "ahhh"
19:44:59 [DI]Smokey: "basically the M190B just kicks the UTGO planets... i can easily take 1-2 selvos of 6-10 UTGO def missles and i still have enough life to get away... plus time to unload all my bombs... the UTGO bomber frigate... go POOF!!! on 3-4 missles....."
19:45:03 [DI]DeathSniper: "What weapons do what, how many shots, speed, rate of fire...etc..."
19:45:04 Exile: "@Selv, everyone else don't understand what you want from them "
19:45:09 [DI]captnsmooth: "@ Exile: He's talking about mathematical formulas that will better calculate a balance, instead of balancing on a case to case basis."
19:45:11 Selvarian: "Exile -> Yes.. I have some analytical info for a LARP rules system that my group has been working on."
[DI]DeathSniper slaps [PS]sunshine upside the head...([DI]DeathSniper)
19:45:43 Gladi: "sun is the meeting over?"
[DI]DeathSniper gives [PS]sunshine a great big hug...([DI]DeathSniper)
19:45:46 [eXS]Geo: "@Smokey: seems to be a problem of the IT missiles"
19:45:50 [DI]captnsmooth: "DS, thanks for a good idea for n00bspace!"
19:45:59 Selvarian: "Exactly. balancing with objectivity rather than just by gut. Sometimes the latter is necessary, but it shouldn't be the only balance method used."
19:46:49 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "baaack"
19:46:51 Selvarian: "OK. Well, that is all I have on my list. Are there any topics we missed? Sunshine?"
19:47:12 [DI]Smokey: "that plus the def for the UTGO only does 2 missles now... plus the ICC has the planet shield... which every planet will have... (eventually) it takes all the UTGO bomber frigate bombs to even take the shield done and that's not counting blowing up the def base"
19:47:23 Selvarian: "Any new topics?"
19:47:33 [DI]Smokey: "er blowing up the shield gen"
19:47:37 [DI]captnsmooth: "I got one: This rash on my butt."
19:47:45 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "no 4 MIrvs lower a shield"
19:47:50 [ C `] Dwarden: "I told to faustus that UGto need something like Planetary PointDefence system"
19:48:02 [ C `] Dwarden: "or easily add 2 or 3 laser to ugto base"
19:48:11 [DI]Smokey: "by that time your toast...."
19:48:15 [DI]captnsmooth: "Defense bases = planetary point defense system."
19:48:43 [PS]sunshine: "test"
19:48:46 Selvarian: "Those who came late, are there any issues that you need to recap?"
19:48:56 [eXS]Geo: "stop stop stop"
19:48:57 Selvarian: "..passed!"
19:49:00 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "see it sun "
19:49:05 Gladi: "only 2 laser plz"
19:49:11 [DI]DeathSniper: "No everything seems to go smoothly"
19:49:18 [PS]sunshine: "argh .. keep getting disconnected "
19:49:19 [eXS]Geo: "the UGTO and ICC defense are really well balanced now"
19:49:31 [PS]sunshine: "okay, think we talked about the important points"
19:49:39 [MoA]Bumblebee: "do we end here @sun?"
19:49:46 [PS]sunshine: "half of the mods on my list was missing"
19:49:46 [eXS]Geo: "only a little bit of tweaking for the UGTO is necessary"
19:49:50 [DI]DeathSniper: "Hey sun I think I should get credit for killing someone with the defense bases I bult "
19:49:52 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "UGTO can build more defense instead shield generators"
19:50:01 [eXS]Geo: "right"
19:50:05 [PS]sunshine: "when they ask you please tell them the important facts"
19:50:10 [DI]DeathSniper: "Yes DE but then if someone lands troops..."
19:50:13 [eXS]Geo: "and 6 Defbases are DEADLY!!!!"
19:50:17 [eXS]Hydronix: "ok"
19:50:19 [DI]captnsmooth: "! New Idea ! : New faction? Perhaps people don't want to deal with building on planets and dealing with a team. Maybe there should be an option to be a "rebel" faction, that is you have no faction. You are on a one man team, and you attack anyone, resupply anyone, etc..."
19:50:21 [MoA]Bumblebee: "so i leave - have to get a lot of capp-points"
19:50:22 [PS]sunshine: "and i think we can stop here ..."
19:50:27 Selvarian: "Unless anyone has anything else to bring up, I think we are done.. sunshine? You have the floor."
19:50:31 [PS]sunshine: "one last thing"
19:50:40 [DI]DeathSniper: "captn isn't that already the case? "
19:50:42 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "but a little faster laser recharge may be useful for ugto"
19:50:42 [PS]sunshine: "do you think we need a follow up thread"
19:50:50 [PS]sunshine: "where each mods gives a short reply ?"
19:50:56 [eXS]Geo: "ICC = Rebels"
19:51:04 [DI]DeathSniper: "yes sun"
19:51:05 [ C `] Dwarden: "Captsmooth if u watch what faustus said there are new races prepared to made after final release"
19:51:06 [DI]Smokey: "here put it this way: the UTGO bomber frigate has 12 mirvs... the 190B has 18 mirvs and 3 cruise... by the time the UTGO bomber has the shields down most of the bombs are gone... the ICC bomber, plenty of bombs and no shield to waste them on..."
19:51:07 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "YEAH "
19:51:07 [eXS]Geo: "UGTO = the old empire"
19:51:07 [DI]captnsmooth: "Ok nevermind."
19:51:08 [MoA]Bumblebee: "hhhmmmmmmm"
19:51:12 [MoA]Gatos: "re"
19:51:13 [DI]captnsmooth: "I'll just post it in suggestions"
19:51:13 Gladi: "but as rebel you cann supp ugto and icc"
19:51:15 [MoA]Bumblebee: "would be better"
19:51:15 Selvarian: "On which topics? I have started one on the new moderator topic."
19:51:16 [eXS]Hydronix: "Then Pirates"
19:51:28 [DI]captnsmooth: "I am not talking about a new race."
19:51:33 Gladi: "okey meeting is over"
19:51:38 [DI]captnsmooth: "Just a selection where you can be your own team"
19:51:41 Gladi: "CU *g*"
19:51:43 [MoA]Bumblebee: "well - cu "
19:51:43 [DI]captnsmooth: "i.e. no teammates"
19:51:47 [eXS]Hydronix: "bye gladi"
19:51:48 Selvarian: "Later, Gladi."
19:51:53 [DI]captnsmooth: "and u can attack, supply, anyone you want."
19:51:55 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "@Smokey: how about the opponent of the UGTO bomber frigate: M42B frigate?"
19:51:56 [DI]DeathSniper: "Actually there should be clan factions "
19:51:58 [PS]sunshine: "cya all"
19:51:58 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "CU Gladi"
19:51:58 Gladi: "kann mal jemand das fenster öffnen brauch frische luft"
19:52:02 [eXS]Geo: "@Smokey: thats right...but it would be boring if all teams had the same ship configs"
19:52:05 [MoA]FrankySZ: "cya"
19:52:12 [eXS]Hydronix: "bye sun"
19:52:17 Selvarian: "Thanks to all and sunshine. Very productive meeting!"
19:52:17 [DI]DeathSniper: "bye sun"
19:52:22 [DI]DeathSniper: "The UGTO has teh Command Dread..."
19:52:26 [DI]Smokey: "im just saying the UTGO need a better bomber... like a destoyer type.."
19:52:30 [DI]captnsmooth: "Hold on Selv."
19:52:33 [DI]captnsmooth: "I got one more thing."
19:52:43 Selvarian: "OK."
[DI]captnsmooth whacks Selvarian with a rolled-up issue of the New York Times.([DI]captnsmooth)
19:52:43 [PS]sunshine: "yes .. thanks to all"
19:52:45 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "@Smokey: you must think a step ahead "
19:52:46 [DI]captnsmooth: ">:)"
19:52:46 [eXS]Hydronix: "death: the icc 2"
19:52:47 Exile: "Bye Sun"
19:52:49 [PS]sunshine: "anyone got a complete chatlog ?"
[eXS]Gladi has entered the room...([eXS]Gladi)
19:53:00 [DI]DeathSniper: "ICC has a command dread nowd?"
19:53:02 [DI]Smokey: "like what?"
19:53:07 [eXS]Gladi: "bac kagain with little bit more in nick "
19:53:08 Selvarian: "Dwarden will post the unedited chat log soon."
19:53:12 [eXS]Geo: "yes"
19:53:14 [DI]Smokey: "ICC always had one"
19:53:17 [DI]DeathSniper: "Ack"
19:53:19 [eXS]Hydronix: "Death: yes"
19:53:21 [DI]captnsmooth: "Adios."
19:53:21 [eXS]Gladi: "iicc have a command dread all time but hard to get"
19:53:23 [DI]DeathSniper: "How come I never got it?"
19:53:26 [eXS]Gladi: "ad and all gold i think"
19:53:27 Selvarian: "I will distill out the New Mod stuff for my continuance thread"
19:53:40 [DI]DeathSniper: "Ack"
19:53:46 [DI]DeathSniper: "No wonder...I was missing my gold supply "
19:53:50 [PS]sunshine: "my frequently discos made my one ... fragmentary"
19:53:57 [eXS]Geo: "@Death: here is a complete List: Ranks and Ships"
19:54:03 Selvarian: "Don't forget! Send new English FAQ items and updates to me. Email address is in the profile."
19:54:11 [DI]DeathSniper: "thnx "
19:54:11 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "@Geo: hehe"
19:54:23 [eXS]Gladi: "and now need silver and AD"
19:54:46 [eXS]Gladi: "but i think 1000 suppl for gold is hard make 500 gold 150 silver 50 bronze its better"
19:54:55 [eXS]Gladi: "150 = 250 i mean"
19:54:58 [DI]DeathSniper: "50 250 500"
19:55:05 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "no supply is easy to get"
19:55:06 [eXS]Gladi: "right"
19:55:18 [eXS]Geo: "not really"
19:55:20 [DI]Smokey: "okay def base cost 500 res... shield cost 250 res... in the beginning of a map i can't tell how many times an ICC 190B will come to UTGO planets and wipe them clean... so what we have is the ICC usually starting out with most of the res which = better ships... so when the UTGO is scrammbling for res the ICC already has a heavy cruiser or whatever whooping the UTGO..."
19:55:23 [eXS]Geo: "it's kinda buggy"
19:55:25 [eXS]Gladi: "hm nope no comes to you for supp the get killed or jump to gate"
19:55:27 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "no, Spirit"
19:56:04 [eXS]Geo: "@Smokey: but the miss base is an active defense...the shield a passive"
19:56:07 Selvarian: "OH! I forgot! Metaverse issues! Maybe we can bring them up next week."
19:56:24 Selvarian: "captn -> What do you need?"
19:56:29 [DI]Smokey: "the miss base is almost worthless..."
19:56:39 [eXS]Geo: "@Smokey: nope"
19:56:48 [DI]Smokey: "i can easily bomb a UTGO planet with 4 def missles and still bomb it to hell"
19:57:00 [DI]Smokey: "and get away"
19:57:01 [DI]DeathSniper: "310 wasn't a command dread before..."
19:57:05 [eXS]Geo: "maybe the UGTO missbase should fire a little bit more often (the laser)"
19:57:07 [DI]Smokey: "in a 190B"
[eXS]Gladi verschwindet in einem Schwarzenloch CU ALL([eXS]Gladi)
[eXS]Gladi wish a lot of fun and say CU ALL([eXS]Gladi)
19:57:10 [DI]DeathSniper: "It was a fighter carrier dread"
19:57:10 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "@Smokey: not easy"
19:57:21 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "@Geo: this is right"
19:57:25 Selvarian: "Later, Gladi."
19:57:25 [DI]Smokey: "the UTGO def base should have some better PD.."
19:57:27 [eXS]Hydronix: "bye gladi"
19:57:27 [ C `] Dwarden: "is meeting over?"
19:57:43 [DI]DeathSniper: "bye gladei"
19:57:44 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "the 310 was command always"
19:57:44 [eXS]Geo: "@Smokey: noooooooo"
19:57:47 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "yes dwarden"
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