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CM7
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Joined: October 15, 2009
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|  Posted: 2011-04-25 00:52
In the MV im constantly being engaged by qst at ranges >1200gu from ships with no enhancments that would affect range. Whenever this happens, the shot is not aimed directly at me, but rather act like they point fired them. There are a certan few players that i come across that i can count on performing this trick. I want to know how many more of you are experiencing this befor i call foul. (could just be on my end)
I would also like to lobby against enhancements that negate an entire factions advantage. The enhancments in question are as follows;
1. Weapon accelorators- makes ugto and luth as ICC
2. Weapon/beam multies- makes ugto and icc as luth
3. Defence upgrade- makes ugto and luth as ICC
4. Defence power- makes ugto and icc as kluth.
UGTO/kluth with weapon accelorators becomes long range as icc with more firepower.
ect...
its making frankenstiens out of ships. Taking the best part of two factions and blending it together under one hull to make a hybrid that can only be countered with another frankenstien hybrid.
Why is this not a ballance issue? Is this not making "Bests" that you wanted to avoid of old modding system?
jus my two cents.
[ This Message was edited by: Defiance*FTL* on 2011-04-25 00:54 ]
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Pakhos[+R]
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Joined: May 31, 2002
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From: Clean room lab
| Posted: 2011-04-25 02:48
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On 2011-04-25 00:52, Defiance*FTL* wrote:
In the MV im constantly being engaged by qst at ranges >1200gu from ships with no enhancments that would affect range. Whenever this happens, the shot is not aimed directly at me, but rather act like they point fired them. There are a certan few players that i come across that i can count on performing this trick. I want to know how many more of you are experiencing this befor i call foul. (could just be on my end)
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Very very very old trick. I am suprised you dont know it yet.
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CM7
Midshipman
Faster than Light
Joined: October 15, 2009
Posts: 1812
| Posted: 2011-04-25 15:37
pullin my leg arent ya
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Gejaheline
Fleet Admiral
Galactic Navy
Joined: March 19, 2005
Posts: 1127
From: UGTO MUNIN HQ, Mars
| Posted: 2011-04-25 15:51
See, I don't have a huge issue with fitting certain types of enhancements onto ships to counter their weaknesses.
However, I, personally, would like to see enhancements have some kind of downside to their use, for example longer-range guns becoming less powerful or taking up more energy. This would let people "tweak" their ships for particular uses rather than just making them straight-up better.
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SpaceAdmiral
Grand Admiral
Joined: May 05, 2010
Posts: 1005
| Posted: 2011-04-25 17:43
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On 2011-04-25 15:51, Gejaheline wrote:
See, I don't have a huge issue with fitting certain types of enhancements onto ships to counter their weaknesses.
However, I, personally, would like to see enhancements have some kind of downside to their use, for example longer-range guns becoming less powerful or taking up more energy. This would let people "tweak" their ships for particular uses rather than just making them straight-up better.
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Much like a zlarr or a makkar?
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Gejaheline
Fleet Admiral
Galactic Navy
Joined: March 19, 2005
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From: UGTO MUNIN HQ, Mars
| Posted: 2011-04-25 17:53
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On 2011-04-25 17:43, SpaceAdmiral wrote:
Much like a zlarr or a makkar?
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In principle, yes.
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jamesbob
Grand Admiral
Joined: August 22, 2009
Posts: 410
| Posted: 2011-04-25 19:52
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On 2011-04-25 17:53, Gejaheline wrote:
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On 2011-04-25 17:43, SpaceAdmiral wrote:
Much like a zlarr or a makkar?
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In principle, yes.
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Alert: can not find a single thing wrong with this augument except for ugto qq alert broadcast systems being activated.
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great idea 
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Gejaheline
Fleet Admiral
Galactic Navy
Joined: March 19, 2005
Posts: 1127
From: UGTO MUNIN HQ, Mars
| Posted: 2011-04-25 20:03
Jamesbob, if you're not going to be constructive, please do everyone a favour and keep it to yourself.
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CM7
Midshipman
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Joined: October 15, 2009
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| Posted: 2011-04-25 20:13
actually... with enh being the backbone of DS income, i think those that already have these enh keep them.
New enhancments that are better ballanced should be released, and the old ones taken off market.
Also would have to soften the - blow.
Adv Defensive Training - Your crew is ordered to maintain defencive systems to the detriment of all else.
+6% defensive HP
+6% defence regeneration rate
-3% Weapon firerate
-3% Engine Power
something like that.
Basicaly enhancments become orders/directives you give your crew. (just for role play aspect. you still equip 8 of them, and their passive skills) And seeing that any yin in life comes with a yang, that is, starships are at their pinical, their zenith of technology, the only way to augment a system, is to take it from some where else.
+Range = + power consumption - turnrate
+turn rate = -Defence -power consumption (yes this one is a double positive)
just use your noodle. Make the + affect affect two other sub systems, either positive or negitive. Make it make sence. (my defence one makes not much sence).
but eh thats why we have a dev team  run with it.
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Gejaheline
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From: UGTO MUNIN HQ, Mars
| Posted: 2011-04-25 20:36
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On 2011-04-25 20:13, Defiance*XO* wrote:
...starships are at their pinical, their zenith of technology, the only way to augment a system, is to take it from some where else. |
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That would be the precise reasoning behind my above suggestion.
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Kenny_Naboo
Marshal
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Joined: January 11, 2010
Posts: 3823
From: LobsterTown
| Posted: 2011-04-25 21:28
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On 2011-04-25 17:53, Gejaheline wrote:
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On 2011-04-25 17:43, SpaceAdmiral wrote:
Much like a zlarr or a makkar?
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In principle, yes.
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Then those enh would be worth less than their 800 smackers.
They're 6% with no disadvantages now.
If you suddenly put in disadvantages, why should they still be worth 800?
U tell me.
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Veronw
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Joined: December 13, 2004
Posts: 554
| Posted: 2011-04-25 21:35
If that was true, why do people spend so much on makkar, zlars, and others kenny?
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Kenny_Naboo
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From: LobsterTown
| Posted: 2011-04-25 21:42
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On 2011-04-25 21:35, Veronw wrote:
If that was true, why do people spend so much on makkar, zlars, and others kenny?
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You miss the point.
The Makkars already have the disadvantages right there from the start, at that value.
If I were to spend 6400 creds on my AWMs today for +6% damage each today, and no side effects... and found out tomorrow that you added -3% on anything else, I would want a refund on everything.
Likewise, from that point on, I wouldn't touch those things again because of my perception that it wouldn't be worth 800, because its value just went down from my perspective.
Marketing... is everything.  
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jamesbob
Grand Admiral
Joined: August 22, 2009
Posts: 410
| Posted: 2011-04-25 21:43
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On 2011-04-25 20:03, Gejaheline wrote:
Jamesbob, if you're not going to be constructive, please do everyone a favour and keep it to yourself.
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ummm that was a attempt at a humorious post.
was supose to be constructive everyone knows ugto will qq if something effects them to the negtive side.
apoligises if that did not come out right
[ This Message was edited by: jamesbob on 2011-04-25 21:47 ]
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Kenny_Naboo
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| Posted: 2011-04-25 21:48
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On 2011-04-25 21:35, Veronw wrote:
If that was true, why do people spend so much on makkar, zlars, and others kenny?
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sadly kenny fails to check his posts veronw as such he is usually labled a troll or someone who is blind and only knows where his keyboard keys are.
its quite sad maybe kenny should stop trolling and start reading.
might learn something.
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Editted your post didn't you?
Sadly, you missed the point too kiddo.
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