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Koda
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Fatal Squadron
Joined: August 29, 2002
Posts: 1384
|  Posted: 2005-06-02 22:54
Good title huh..
Here are some comparasons between DS and ST ships, Enjoy.
-Charz
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Koda
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Fatal Squadron
Joined: August 29, 2002
Posts: 1384
| Posted: 2005-06-03 19:49
bumpity bumb bumb...
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Quistis {C?}
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Evil Empires Inc.
Joined: April 06, 2002
Posts: 1536
| Posted: 2005-06-03 20:04
Hmmmm very cool
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Bobamelius
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Galactic Navy
Joined: October 08, 2002
Posts: 2074
From: Ohio
| Posted: 2005-06-03 22:31
Strange. Especially the part where ICC cruisers are larger than Galaxy-class ships, which supposedly hold over a thousand people.
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Atom$k {PK}
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Joined: July 04, 2003
Posts: 168
From: Virginia Beach, VA
| Posted: 2005-06-03 22:52
Actually Bob, at first glance...it bugged the crap out of me that DarkSpace Dreads (in general, both shown) are larger than a Romulan warbird. In TNG, they made the Enterprise look like an escape pod. So, comparing the Galaxy-class ship to an ICC Cruiser isn't too far off in size. But, I'm not exactly sure how many people are supposed to fit on an ICC Cruiser. Comparing the two ships in texture, the Galaxy looks wayyyy bigger.
-Xin (officially stumped)
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LordShard
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Joined: April 28, 2005
Posts: 140
| Posted: 2005-06-04 01:12
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On 2005-06-03 22:52, Xin {C?} wrote:
Actually Bob, at first glance...it bugged the crap out of me that DarkSpace Dreads (in general, both shown) are larger than a Romulan warbird. In TNG, they made the Enterprise look like an escape pod. So, comparing the Galaxy-class ship to an ICC Cruiser isn't too far off in size. But, I'm not exactly sure how many people are supposed to fit on an ICC Cruiser. Comparing the two ships in texture, the Galaxy looks wayyyy bigger.
-Xin (officially stumped)
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That is the resolution of the texture.  If the resolution of it was higher you would have lots more cabin lights I'm sure. And you could fit more decks of lights. Stupid blinking lights.
BUt yeah, feddy ships were never meant for all out war, except in war they would take battlecriser out of drydock and retrofit them. Remember, when the federation is in peace there is no such thing as a federation warship.... only escorts. All feddy ships are multipurpose except the battlecruisers, would you have a science bay or anything like that on the battlecruiser? Of course not.
But I bealeve that because the ICC are supposedly the "culturally elite" their ships are more technologicly inclined that the Ugto (SHIELDS!). So you could maybe have way more automated systems then a federation ship would have.
In a pure warships you need only a few things
Shields (optional)
engine and energy creation (a warp core), the more effeicent and powerful the better.
The better the "warpcore" or engines the more weapons you can have and the longer you can sustain fireing
and finally a medical bay and engineering (repair)
But because a federation ship is multipurpose(Ussually has more advanced technology than who they are fighting also, such as romulans and klingons, stupid Romulans buy their warbirds from teh klingons.) it is ussually more effective than a ship of similar size because it can more effectivly take advantages of weaknesses, various types of attacks (find their shield frequency with more advanced scanners(federation would be able to find the eemies shield frequency because of more advanced scanners, find ways of dealing with new types of weapons, ect ect). But a purebreed warship of similar technology and size would still beat the shiz out of it.
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Shigernafy
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Joined: May 29, 2001
Posts: 5726
From: The Land of Taxation without Representation
| Posted: 2005-06-04 01:26
Also keep in mind that some of our ships are bigger than planets... so somewhere 'round here, there's a scale issue. 
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Koda
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Fatal Squadron
Joined: August 29, 2002
Posts: 1384
| Posted: 2005-06-04 02:41
I know this might be a Drastic Idea.. but Id be happy to sacrifice systems for a more realistic Planet to ship size ratio.
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LordShard
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| Posted: 2005-06-04 02:45
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On 2005-06-04 01:26, Shigernafy wrote:
Also keep in mind that some of our ships are bigger than planets... so somewhere 'round here, there's a scale issue.
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I'd be willing to bet that you coud pull it off easy, stronger and lighter metals keep comming out all the time, stronger alloys, new inventions and technology, now take into account that most ships are probbaly t least 50% empty space so humans can get around.
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BackSlash
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Galactic Navy
Joined: March 23, 2003
Posts: 11183
From: Bristol, England
| Posted: 2005-06-04 04:08
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On 2005-06-04 01:26, Shigernafy wrote:
Also keep in mind that some of our ships are bigger than planets... so somewhere 'round here, there's a scale issue.
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I like my 'two times bigger than luna' station though 
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DOM700 [-IMO-]
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Joined: July 26, 2001
Posts: 3175
From: Eckental, Germany, Sol-System
| Posted: 2005-06-04 05:21
Well it would be even more stupid if the planets get a hundred times larger than they are now (or even more) and still having just 32 structures....
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Koda
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Fatal Squadron
Joined: August 29, 2002
Posts: 1384
| Posted: 2005-06-04 07:23
You got a good point Dom, maybe we could take this the other way. We could have Planets and moons blow up when a station hits them instead of the other way round..
i know i wouldnt worry about hitting O as often 
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Fornax
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Raven Warriors
Joined: April 30, 2002
Posts: 906
From: Jacksonville, FL
| Posted: 2005-06-04 07:42
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On 2005-06-04 01:12, LordShard wrote:
But because a federation ship is multipurpose(Ussually has more advanced technology than who they are fighting also, such as romulans and klingons, stupid Romulans buy their warbirds from teh klingons.) it is ussually more effective than a ship of similar size because it can more effectivly take advantages of weaknesses, various types of attacks (find their shield frequency with more advanced scanners(federation would be able to find the eemies shield frequency because of more advanced scanners, find ways of dealing with new types of weapons, ect ect). But a purebreed warship of similar technology and size would still beat the shiz out of it.
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Silly Shard - I think I'm about to show my age.
The Romulan Warbirds ("bought from the Klingons") were really a cost decision in TOS (The old show) only. It was cheaper to use the existing model (& footage) than it was to build a unique design. They called them Battlecruisers though...there was a uniquely Romulan SUBLIGHT ship called a Warbird in the episode called "Balance of Terror".
But, most definately, the "TNG" (The Next Generation) Romulan Warbirds are most assuredly a Romulan Built & Designed ship. And, the Canon is, the Romulans are generally as advanced or more so than the Federation...at least in Warships. And yes, you're right on one thing. The Romulan Warbirds you saw in the TNG shows...yes, a single one should easily have returned the Enterprise to the dust from which it began. Sadly, even the Sovereign Class is outmatched by the Romulan Battleship. Of course, games like Bridge Commander, being a "Federation Centered" game, portray things differently.
Nax
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Koda
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Fatal Squadron
Joined: August 29, 2002
Posts: 1384
| Posted: 2005-06-04 07:43
This might help, plus these are fun to look at.
All of these references i found at
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/index.htm
This is one of the best sites ive seen. I still havent had time to go through this entire site, Its amaizing work.
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Koda
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Fatal Squadron
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Posts: 1384
| Posted: 2005-06-04 07:57
Makes me wish I had a Star Trek Mod for DS.. :/
KAHN!!!!!
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