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AdmiralChaos
Chief Marshal
Joined: October 08, 2008
Posts: 274
|  Posted: 2013-08-10 15:04
I've read over the dev log over and over.. and I think the biggest thing missing is an actual PvE gameplay change that (I) think is really needed...
As it stands, I know myself and others don't get the point of the MV right now. Theres no real motivation to conquer the MV.. inbetween being on different servers, low ranked server/systems and just the general feeling of planets just being a place to pull a ship from. They arn't threatening, they don't defend themselves very well at all and because of those two things, the desire to aquire and hold them is null.
I'm excited for new ship models, ships and subscriber perks but what about actual pve-side gameplay?
It feels like its just going to turn into the same mostly boring mess after the newness wears off.
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Kesari
Vice Admiral
My Little Pony
Joined: June 21, 2012
Posts: 29
| Posted: 2013-08-10 17:44
Making planet defenses actually interesting would be a nice change.
Rather than just a generic pain field and damage reduction, having a mix of bases for different roles would liven things up, and have an affect on what strategies are used to attempt to defend or attack it.
I understand this was taken out due to performance issues in the past, but I wonder if the smaller servers will allow it to happen again.
Also, having an appropriate reward for capturing or sucessfully defending a difficult planet.
As it stands right now, you get 1 capture point for an empty barren, and also 1 capture point for taking a heavily defended terran that took an hour to capture...
[ This Message was edited by: Kesari on 2013-08-10 17:45 ]
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Talien
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Templar Knights
Joined: May 11, 2010
Posts: 2044
From: Michigan
| Posted: 2013-08-10 18:42
If we had the different resources being required to build different ships or swap different gadgets like used to be once upon a time there would be an actual point to holding planets. Especially if some of those resources were rare and only available in certain systems to give people an incentive to fight over them rather than just for the fun of it.
That could be an especially good re-addition with 1.7 and all it's new ships. If the T1 ships were buildable with just basic metals but T2 and T3 ships required more exotic materials I'm sure we'd see a lot more people logging in to try and ensure their faction has access to them while others don't.
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AdmiralChaos
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Joined: October 08, 2008
Posts: 274
| Posted: 2013-08-10 19:01
it would be nice at first.. but eventually you'll stockpile those resources.. or always have your ships
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Kesari
Vice Admiral
My Little Pony
Joined: June 21, 2012
Posts: 29
| Posted: 2013-08-10 19:07
When a ship is destroyed, the player should have to spend resources to launch it again, otherwise they just keep launching it from a remote shipyard and transferring to the front line with no actual penalty except to their prestige.
"resources lost" but no resources are actually lost.
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Borgie
Chief Marshal
Pitch Black
Joined: August 15, 2005
Posts: 2256
From: close by
| Posted: 2013-08-10 23:21
Quote:
On 2013-08-10 15:04, AdmiralChaos *FL* wrote:
I've read over the dev log over and over.. and I think the biggest thing missing is an actual PvE gameplay change that (I) think is really needed...
As it stands, I know myself and others don't get the point of the MV right now. Theres no real motivation to conquer the MV.. inbetween being on different servers, low ranked server/systems and just the general feeling of planets just being a place to pull a ship from. They arn't threatening, they don't defend themselves very well at all and because of those two things, the desire to aquire and hold them is null.
I'm excited for new ship models, ships and subscriber perks but what about actual pve-side gameplay?
It feels like its just going to turn into the same mostly boring mess after the newness wears off.
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we already have ai in this game, which ruin combat as it is.
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Sheraton*XO*
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Faster than Light
Joined: January 18, 2013
Posts: 482
From: Keel Mountains
| Posted: 2013-08-11 00:41
I still say if we want to mitigate the AI they should be put on an inverse ratio to the faction real time player population on a server.
-Sheraton
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Kenny_Naboo
Marshal
Pitch Black
Joined: January 11, 2010
Posts: 3823
From: LobsterTown
| Posted: 2013-08-11 12:45
Quote:
On 2013-08-10 19:07, Kesari wrote:
When a ship is destroyed, the player should have to spend resources to launch it again, otherwise they just keep launching it from a remote shipyard and transferring to the front line with no actual penalty except to their prestige.
"resources lost" but no resources are actually lost.
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This is actually a pretty good suggestion.
Sure, a player doesn't actually lose the ship. But to bring a "destroyed" but garaged ship back into gameplay, it should require the resources necessary to "rebuild" it.
Should the complex resources system ever be brought back to DS, I would support this idea. Besides pres loss, not being able to respawn one of your garage ships due to lack of resources should be a good deterrent against wasteful suicide gameplay.
Nevermind what "arcade" players like anyway.
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Ollary
Marshal
Joined: September 19, 2003
Posts: 5
| Posted: 2013-08-12 14:24
Tottaly Agree with this ideas. Darkmatter and other rare resorces will make you want to capture and hold a enemy planet far away just to fly a Tier 3 ship again.
Logging off with not docing should take away more resorces from your ship next time you want to fly it.
And yes... yes the old planet def with missels was much more fun and realistic.
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SBUS
Joined: August 12, 2013
Posts: 1
| Posted: 2013-08-12 16:35
Quote:
On 2013-08-10 17:44, Kesari wrote:
Making planet defenses actually interesting would be a nice change.
Rather than just a generic pain field and damage reduction, having a mix of bases for different roles would liven things up, and have an affect on what strategies are used to attempt to defend or attack it.
I understand this was taken out due to performance issues in the past, but I wonder if the smaller servers will allow it to happen again.
Also, having an appropriate reward for capturing or sucessfully defending a difficult planet.
As it stands right now, you get 1 capture point for an empty barren, and also 1 capture point for taking a heavily defended terran that took an hour to capture...
[ This Message was edited by: Kesari on 2013-08-10 17:45 ]
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Pantheon
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Joined: May 29, 2001
Posts: 1789
| Posted: 2013-08-12 21:06
Nothing will be done for 1.7 in regards to planets except for tweaks and fixes, otherwise we'll be waiting forever for 1.7, and it's better to get it out in its current state (or thereabouts) rather than waiting for another major feature change.
It's been on the board for quite some time. We laid the foundation and framework when we changed the planets to the new defense system, we just haven't got around to doing the rest of the work yet (which is significant, even more so than 1.7).
[ This Message was edited by: Pantheon on 2013-08-12 21:07 ]
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Cold Death
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Joined: July 24, 2011
Posts: 106
From: Right behind you...
| Posted: 2013-08-16 02:22
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On 2013-08-12 21:06, Pantheon wrote:
Nothing will be done for 1.7 in regards to planets except for tweaks and fixes, otherwise we'll be waiting forever for 1.7, and it's better to get it out in its current state (or thereabouts) rather than waiting for another major feature change.
It's been on the board for quite some time. We laid the foundation and framework when we changed the planets to the new defense system, we just haven't got around to doing the rest of the work yet (which is significant, even more so than 1.7).
[ This Message was edited by: Cold Death on 2013-08-16 04:34 ]
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Well, there's always 1.8! 
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_Sajuuk_
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Joined: December 08, 2010
Posts: 38
From: Washington (state) , United States of America
| Posted: 2013-08-16 04:37
Quote:
On 2013-08-10 15:04, AdmiralChaos *FL* wrote:
I've read over the dev log over and over.. and I think the biggest thing missing is an actual PvE gameplay change that (I) think is really needed...
As it stands, I know myself and others don't get the point of the MV right now. Theres no real motivation to conquer the MV.. inbetween being on different servers, low ranked server/systems and just the general feeling of planets just being a place to pull a ship from. They arn't threatening, they don't defend themselves very well at all and because of those two things, the desire to aquire and hold them is null.
I'm excited for new ship models, ships and subscriber perks but what about actual pve-side gameplay?
It feels like its just going to turn into the same mostly boring mess after the newness wears off.
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in refrence to the "planets defending themselves" part of it. i think i remember planets being able to keep whole fleets at a distance
(there were less AI back then as i recall) systems had a SY planet and a nearby "Death Star" meaning it had overkill amount of defenses
(try takeing a SY planet when the nearby def planet can destroy u in seconds)
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Sheraton*XO*
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Joined: January 18, 2013
Posts: 482
From: Keel Mountains
| Posted: 2013-08-16 09:51
Yes there were such planets at one time but they tended to put a very heavy load on the server. The old system of planet defenses was removed for this reason if I recall correctly.
-Sheraton
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Zero28
Grand Admiral
Joined: August 25, 2006
Posts: 591
| Posted: 2013-08-16 10:26
Quote:
On 2013-08-12 21:06, Pantheon wrote:
Nothing will be done for 1.7 in regards to planets except for tweaks and fixes, otherwise we'll be waiting forever for 1.7, and it's better to get it out in its current state (or thereabouts) rather than waiting for another major feature change.
It's been on the board for quite some time. We laid the foundation and framework when we changed the planets to the new defense system, we just haven't got around to doing the rest of the work yet (which is significant, even more so than 1.7).
[ This Message was edited by: Pantheon on 2013-08-12 21:07 ]
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Awesmome! Glad to hear that
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