On 2013-02-23 12:25, Hicks wrote:
Just fyi: ELF weapons already do increased damage to ICC shields. Tracker beacon would negate the cloak altogether, and Reactive armor? I dont understand what you mean by "reactive".

On 2013-02-23 12:13, Wessssss wrote:
Each faction complains about the others advantage. Kluth cloak, ICC shields, UGTO damage. So why not provide weapons that would counter that.

UGTO and ICC would get something like a tracker beacon. that would stay with the cloaked Kluth ship for a short time period



We have beacons, they used to do this.



Kluth and UGTO would be able to have something like an EMP cannon that would shred shields faster then normal weapons.



UGTO Have an EMP cannon.



and then Kluth and ICC would be able to have like Reactive Armor, that would lessen the blows of the UGTO hits



I don't play alot of luth but i think chit armor has higher defense against projectiles. As for ICC Skirmish shields.



each of these would only be provided upon swapping out something else. EMP cannon replaces torpedos, tracker beacon could be the same. and regular armor could be swapped for the Reactive Armor. So if you are in an engagement that is mostly Kluth say, you could optimize your ship against them at the sacrifice of overall combat efficiency.

because for all the years these fights have been going on, neither side has developed technology to counter the others? c'mon now.

On 2013-02-23 21:32, Point Of No Return wrote:
after taking a couple of alfs

On 2013-02-24 22:38, Wessssss wrote:
so what it sounds like is all the things i mentioned there was, but have been disabled?

i'm just sick of fights being about who can camp an area longer. Can't attack kluth (from ICC) because you don't know where they are and if you move from a home planet or fleet they will just pick you off one at a time and then cloak/jump away.

As a Kluth can't full on attack the ICC because as a whole they outmatch you.

most decent system battles are determined by who can have the most players stay logged on. once there's a swing, that's the side that wins. after say 3 hours of back and forth (aka sitting around) eventually one sides player count falls and that's it system lost.

The only really great fights have been between the ICC and UGTO and even then the ICC have the advantage. And most of the time I see no one on UGTO probably because they are the lowest of the factions as far as perks go.

My point is just if there was a way to null the other sides advantage there would be more deciding engagements.

ALSO SIDE QUESTION: Why was the dico ship disabled? those things would make fights sooo much more interesting.

On 2013-02-24 22:38, Wessssss wrote:
so what it sounds like is all the things i mentioned there was, but have been disabled?


The only one that has been disabled is the beacons, due to the new cloak system.


i'm just sick of fights being about who can camp an area longer. Can't attack kluth (from ICC) because you don't know where they are and if you move from a home planet or fleet they will just pick you off one at a time and then cloak/jump away.


This is a team game, so you shouldn't really be moving away from your fleet unless you are doing a task that requires it like scouting or bombing. If you know luth are in the system stay together and make sure all players are running any available ECCM. If you have enough of it the energy drain for cloak will make it harder for the luth to escape after any hit and run attacks, but blind shooting is critical to deny them the energy re-gen bonus during OOC.


As a Kluth can't full on attack the ICC because as a whole they outmatch you.



This kind of contradicts your second point. If they have equal numbers a well coordinated team of luth can take on an ICC fleet.



most decent system battles are determined by who can have the most players stay logged on. once there's a swing, that's the side that wins. after say 3 hours of back and forth (aka sitting around) eventually one sides player count falls and that's it system lost.



I agree with this point, but it could be due to people only trying one strategy in order to accomplish an objective like attacking a system. Usually the idea is to get a bunch of dreads and stations and fly to or near a planet and press space bar till all the red diamonds are gone. The problem is if the enemy also has a fleet of dreads and stations it becomes a stalemate. There is a big selection of ships that can do some pretty crafty stuff when you work together with people.



The only really great fights have been between the ICC and UGTO and even then the ICC have the advantage. And most of the time I see no one on UGTO probably because they are the lowest of the factions as far as perks go.



I personal enjoy ICC vs UGTO more than ICC vs Luth, but fighting Luth can still be fun if you work together with your teammates and effectively use blind firing and ECCM coverage.



My point is just if there was a way to null the other sides advantage there would be more deciding engagements.



You can already do this, it just takes some creative thinking with the ships available!



ALSO SIDE QUESTION: Why was the dico ship disabled? those things would make fights sooo much more interesting.


It made people log off due to its ability to trap and kill dreads and stations.