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Krim {C?}
Marshal
Galactic Navy
Joined: June 24, 2002
Posts: 362
From: Boston MA
|  Posted: 2009-09-19 13:47
Orbiting planets cause a multitude of problems. From SY spawn crashes to getting run over by planets. This was especially notable today in r33, with Illyria and Eternety.
How about turning off these crazy orbits for a while till we can fix the bug that causes all the de-syncing and silly pres loss due to this bug?
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$yTHe {C?}
Grand Admiral
Sundered Weimeriners
Joined: September 29, 2002
Posts: 1292
From: Arlington, VA
| Posted: 2009-09-19 16:29
Hi welcome to 3 years ago don't build SYs on planets that have moons orbitting close to them.
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Azreal
Chief Marshal
Joined: March 14, 2004
Posts: 2816
From: United State of Texas, Houston
| Posted: 2009-09-19 19:01
Hi welcome to doesn't read before responding. Illyria has no moon, goof. It's a planetary orbit issue.
Yes. PLEASE TURN THEM OFF till unbugged. Very bad bugs here, and some lag issues as well.
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Jaing
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Joined: August 16, 2008
Posts: 3
From: Jaing
| Posted: 2009-09-19 19:59
I remember getting run over by a speeding planet many times, back when there were just three or four universes - the skill-level verses and the multiverse. I can't remember the planet (I think it was Hades something or other) but I do remember asking it to get slowed down.
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Krim {C?}
Marshal
Galactic Navy
Joined: June 24, 2002
Posts: 362
From: Boston MA
| Posted: 2009-09-20 00:00
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On 2009-09-19 19:59, Jaing wrote:
I remember getting run over by a speeding planet many times, back when there were just three or four universes - the skill-level verses and the multiverse. I can't remember the planet (I think it was Hades something or other) but I do remember asking it to get slowed down.
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Yes, I mean, I understand some inferno planets close to the stars in certain systems, i'm not really complaining about thoose (even tho they are distracting) but I'm talking about planets that travel around 1.0/gu a sec, they seem to be 500 gu away or something like that, you go to orbit them and end up apparently getting run over by it.
Or in the case of Illirya, spawning from the shipyard which spawns you actually inside the planet, or.. in some cases, you crash into it upon spawning, even though you spawn about 400 gu from the planet itself... it makes for a nice fireworks show, but a disasterous loss of pres.
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BackSlash
Marshal
Galactic Navy
Joined: March 23, 2003
Posts: 11183
From: Bristol, England
| Posted: 2009-09-20 08:12
The issue isn't to do with orbiting itself, so disabling it wouldn't solve the problem.
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Shigernafy
Admiral
Joined: May 29, 2001
Posts: 5726
From: The Land of Taxation without Representation
| Posted: 2009-09-20 10:09
It wouldn't solve the problem, but since orbiting makes it manifest itself.... wouldn't it mask the problem? ie, even if the problem is elsewhere, you see it with planets not really being where your client thinks they are. If planets never moved, they'd always be where they are, so you'd never have to guess.
Or am I missing some key logic?
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kyanos
Midshipman
Joined: July 24, 2005
Posts: 9
| Posted: 2009-09-20 11:42
whats being used to monitor the positioning of the planets n moons as is? and yea, having them sit still would mean even if the thing is 5 minutes off position-wise, it wont matter, but to test fixes they would need to be moving wouldnt they?
i do some coding and debugging on my own games (not a pro, or anywhere near, but i do do the work  ) and... well, i can think of two main sources for the issue perhaps... i dont know what the related code is, so these are complete guesses...
im assuming theres an equation involved in moving the planets and moons, that runs from server side... does it also run from client side? in which case if the equations arent synchronized, then the planetary positions wouldnt be and that would cause this...
the other one is basically if the equation is only run from server side, and the results are transmitted to the host... sounds like the data is being caught in a firewall or some other large delay factor... considering its happening to everyone, the delay would be transmission side, or serverside i mean 
anyway, just guesses, and quite likely someone has already looked into em, but never hurts to try and give a helping hand
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Faustus
Marshal
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Joined: May 29, 2001
Posts: 2748
From: Austin, Texas
| Posted: 2009-09-20 11:45
Collision is all done client-side... we changed that a while back so players wouldn't be hitting planets they don't see.
I have yet to see my ship hit a planet that wasn't there... so it's kinda hard to find and fix if I can reproduce these problems.
If you guys can find a reproducable location, then please post and I'll jump in-game ot check it out.
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Faustus
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Joined: May 29, 2001
Posts: 2748
From: Austin, Texas
| Posted: 2009-09-20 12:12
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On 2009-09-19 13:47, Krim {C?} wrote:
Orbiting planets cause a multitude of problems. From SY spawn crashes to getting run over by planets. This was especially notable today in r33, with Illyria and Eternety.
How about turning off these crazy orbits for a while till we can fix the bug that causes all the de-syncing and silly pres loss due to this bug?
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So let me ask... can you give me the names of these fast orbiting planets (the ones you got ran over by)...
The designers think it's cool to give a star/planet a really fast orbit because it looks cool in-game.. but they ARE very dangerous and will take a ship out quite easily. I doubt this is a desync problem as you describe it, it sounds more like a bad design problem.
-F
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Enterprise
Chief Marshal
Raven Warriors
Joined: May 19, 2002
Posts: 2576
From: Hawthorne, Nevada
| Posted: 2009-09-20 12:39
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On 2009-09-20 12:12, Faustus wrote:
The designers think it's cool to give a star/planet a really fast orbit because it looks cool in-game.. but they ARE very dangerous and will take a ship out quite easily. I doubt this is a desync problem as you describe it, it sounds more like a bad design problem.
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IN the case of such planets that are fast moving, their only victims are the careless. If you orbit with any planet, it matches its orbit speed so you don't slam into it.
Its sort of like saying going afk in the middle of a fleet engagement and dying because of it is a bad design problem - the carelessness of the player is a bug that can never be fixed.
-Ent
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Tommas [ USF HunnyBunny ]
Chief Marshal
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Joined: February 04, 2006
Posts: 581
From: Norway
| Posted: 2009-09-20 17:20
Well i cant say any names of planets etc faustus, but this happens, ive seen ppl comin out from sy`s and insta crashes, we see all his resources is in the middle of the planet. The other problem is the jumping with white line, then kaboom u go.
Cant provide names, just can state that it happens.
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Julian Delphiki
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Joined: June 19, 2002
Posts: 171
| Posted: 2009-09-20 18:49
I have seen this as well.
@ent: This isnt a problem with planets moving and people going afk and dying. Its a problem with a desync where the server thinks the shipyard is in a different spot and you end up spawning into the planet(or next to the planet and due to some bug or desync you explode away from the planet, but directly upon spawning at a planet with a moving orbit)
I dont know what planets these are anymore, but they do exist. Any planet that moves even 1gu/s risks this problem when spawning out of a sy. Sure, temporarily we can no build shipyards on these planets, but it doesnt solve the problem
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JBud
Marshal
Joined: February 26, 2008
Posts: 1900
From: Behind you.
| Posted: 2009-09-20 18:55
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On 2009-09-20 12:12, Faustus wrote:
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On 2009-09-19 13:47, Krim {C?} wrote:
Orbiting planets cause a multitude of problems. From SY spawn crashes to getting run over by planets. This was especially notable today in r33, with Illyria and Eternety.
How about turning off these crazy orbits for a while till we can fix the bug that causes all the de-syncing and silly pres loss due to this bug?
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So let me ask... can you give me the names of these fast orbiting planets (the ones you got ran over by)...
The designers think it's cool to give a star/planet a really fast orbit because it looks cool in-game.. but they ARE very dangerous and will take a ship out quite easily. I doubt this is a desync problem as you describe it, it sounds more like a bad design problem.
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Bad design? as in game design? because it sounds to me like bad engineers... If you know the planets causing the problems (and we do know! Illyria, Eternity, Grace, ect..) then why spawn a ship there?
Whenever I see a SY on any of these, I spawn at a gate, or another planet.
I think these people just need a shot of common sense.
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Fattierob
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Joined: April 25, 2003
Posts: 4059
| Posted: 2009-09-20 19:18
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On 2009-09-20 18:55, JBud wrote:
you know the planets causing the problems (and we do know! Illyria, Eternity, Grace, ect..) then why spawn a ship there?
Whenever I see a SY on any of these, I spawn at a gate, or another planet.
I think these people just need a shot of common sense.
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Right, the playerbase should know which planets cause a bug in the code, and make sure they don't cause that bug.
Our bad.
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